Flybe 2005 Pilot Sponsorship Scheme
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To all those stil waiting a response:
I was still waiting for a reply on Monday morning so I gave Cabair a call. They were very helpful and let me know the result over the phone!
Looks like I will get to meet some of you on the 19th!
I am 23, have a Science degree, 4 hours powered flying and 25 hours (inc 10 solo) gliding experience for those who want to know.
I was still waiting for a reply on Monday morning so I gave Cabair a call. They were very helpful and let me know the result over the phone!
Looks like I will get to meet some of you on the 19th!
I am 23, have a Science degree, 4 hours powered flying and 25 hours (inc 10 solo) gliding experience for those who want to know.
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Finally got the Response
Hi guys, the response did not come yesterday so I emailed Cabair last night and got the great news that I am off to stage 2!
I am looking forward to meeting all you guys there! All the best for the Maths revision.
Guess the postal service in Northern Ireland is slipping!
I am looking forward to meeting all you guys there! All the best for the Maths revision.
Guess the postal service in Northern Ireland is slipping!
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ALL DISCRACEFUL
I want to say is that I feel it is appauling for any airline to sponsor people 'off the street.'
Whilst there are thousands of passionate and qualified modular and integrated students more than suitable for jobs, why not absorb those first THEN look to the street for people who think they might just fancy a chance at being ' airline pilot.'
Do the industry some good companies, stop this sponsorship crap, get your arses down to the schools, pick some nearly finished guys, by all means use selection to do so, and help them by sponsoring the final parts of their training and giving them a job at the end.
It would surely be more cost effective on both sides of the coin, plus you know that the people you are sponsoring are really going to have what it takes to do the flying, seen plenty of acad's passing Atpl's with 90%+ and making an utter balls up of the flying, to the extent that the airline pull out having lost money, - seen this twice now at my own school.
You see these scheme select the wrong type of guy/gal, they don't really want to fly, one person who shall remain nameless even admitted they didn't, just fancied the idea , status(what's left of it) & (he was sponsored by said company.)
Interesting trend?
YOU BET.
Get it sorted companies.
Wingbar
Whilst there are thousands of passionate and qualified modular and integrated students more than suitable for jobs, why not absorb those first THEN look to the street for people who think they might just fancy a chance at being ' airline pilot.'
Do the industry some good companies, stop this sponsorship crap, get your arses down to the schools, pick some nearly finished guys, by all means use selection to do so, and help them by sponsoring the final parts of their training and giving them a job at the end.
It would surely be more cost effective on both sides of the coin, plus you know that the people you are sponsoring are really going to have what it takes to do the flying, seen plenty of acad's passing Atpl's with 90%+ and making an utter balls up of the flying, to the extent that the airline pull out having lost money, - seen this twice now at my own school.
You see these scheme select the wrong type of guy/gal, they don't really want to fly, one person who shall remain nameless even admitted they didn't, just fancied the idea , status(what's left of it) & (he was sponsored by said company.)
Interesting trend?
YOU BET.
Get it sorted companies.
Wingbar
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Wingbar,
Thanks for your comments. I do appreciate where you are coming from.
I have a very close friend who took the self finance modular approach and am glad to say that within 6 months he was employed by flybe.
As Flybe are offering this sponsorship scheme as well I see them as being fair and just. They are willing to award those who have put the work in themselves and funded their training. However I think it is quite unfair to take the view of detest to sponsorship schemes. Please remember that not everyone has £65,000. I believe it is a credit to flybe for offering such a scheme and investing in the young pilots' future. They are giving a chance to those who would not normally get such a wonderful opportunity, while at the same time employing those who have self financed.
I think your view while in some ways credible, is rather one sided. If you look at the broader perspective, I believe you can see that a company such as flybe is a credit to the industry.
Thanks for your comments. I do appreciate where you are coming from.
I have a very close friend who took the self finance modular approach and am glad to say that within 6 months he was employed by flybe.
As Flybe are offering this sponsorship scheme as well I see them as being fair and just. They are willing to award those who have put the work in themselves and funded their training. However I think it is quite unfair to take the view of detest to sponsorship schemes. Please remember that not everyone has £65,000. I believe it is a credit to flybe for offering such a scheme and investing in the young pilots' future. They are giving a chance to those who would not normally get such a wonderful opportunity, while at the same time employing those who have self financed.
I think your view while in some ways credible, is rather one sided. If you look at the broader perspective, I believe you can see that a company such as flybe is a credit to the industry.
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I would like to put my two peneth in now. I think wingbar is being unjust with his/her comments.
Personally I have spent my whole life wanting an opportunity to become a pilot, as I'm sure most of us wannabe's have. From choosing appropriate GCSE's and A-level, then completing an aeronautical engineering degree, and now working for a top aerospace company waiting for an opportunity like this to arise. My dad is a commercial pilot and I have been around aviation all my life to date (and no not being a daddy's boy who gets what he wants!!). Sure to say that if I am unsuccesful in gaining a sponsorship when I'm approaching that tender age limit, I will undoubtedly go down the self funded route.
So how can you have the nerve to say that us sponsorship applicants do not have the passion and dedication to become a pilot. The way I see it there are opportunities there to be had, and I would be stupid not to try a sponsorship and save some money, not even forgetting the fact that we will have jobs at the end of it all. Plus I'm not sure your aware but this particular FlyBe scheme does require a £33,000 appox contribution which I personally think is still a hefty amount but I'm still willing to pay it because THIS IS WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO AND I WILL DO ANYTHING IT TAKES!!!
I just get the impression that you have either failed in your own sponsorship applications previously or you have passed the age limit. What ever your background is, I think you need to stop being bitter about it!
Personally I have spent my whole life wanting an opportunity to become a pilot, as I'm sure most of us wannabe's have. From choosing appropriate GCSE's and A-level, then completing an aeronautical engineering degree, and now working for a top aerospace company waiting for an opportunity like this to arise. My dad is a commercial pilot and I have been around aviation all my life to date (and no not being a daddy's boy who gets what he wants!!). Sure to say that if I am unsuccesful in gaining a sponsorship when I'm approaching that tender age limit, I will undoubtedly go down the self funded route.
So how can you have the nerve to say that us sponsorship applicants do not have the passion and dedication to become a pilot. The way I see it there are opportunities there to be had, and I would be stupid not to try a sponsorship and save some money, not even forgetting the fact that we will have jobs at the end of it all. Plus I'm not sure your aware but this particular FlyBe scheme does require a £33,000 appox contribution which I personally think is still a hefty amount but I'm still willing to pay it because THIS IS WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO AND I WILL DO ANYTHING IT TAKES!!!
I just get the impression that you have either failed in your own sponsorship applications previously or you have passed the age limit. What ever your background is, I think you need to stop being bitter about it!
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Thanks to The foz
Foz,
My feelings exactly. I thank you for being honest. I wish you every success in the future, and it would be a privilege to fly alongside you.
Kind regards,
David.
My feelings exactly. I thank you for being honest. I wish you every success in the future, and it would be a privilege to fly alongside you.
Kind regards,
David.
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I have to say I can see where wingbar is coming from, although I don't agree with his stereotype of the sponsorship applicant.
Purely from a commercial view point it does seem strange that an airline would want to spend the extra money on a sponsorship scheme (even tho its only partial in flybes part) when there are so many unemployed pilots out there.
On the other had I also agree with the other comments, sponsorship is a great oppurtunity for people who cannot afford to go down the self funded route.
This industry is a strange place!
Purely from a commercial view point it does seem strange that an airline would want to spend the extra money on a sponsorship scheme (even tho its only partial in flybes part) when there are so many unemployed pilots out there.
On the other had I also agree with the other comments, sponsorship is a great oppurtunity for people who cannot afford to go down the self funded route.
This industry is a strange place!
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wingbar,
Whilst I appreciate your comments, I agree that you sound rather bitter. I'm not sure you have chosen the right forum to "sound off" and I feel strongly that the reason you may not have been successful in the past is your strong and one-sided opinion. From speaking one Chief Pilot, two training captains one captain and eight first officers over the last year or so one thing has been repeated by ALL of them: In their opinion, you don't need to be rediculously intelligent or talented to be a pilot but mild mannered, pleasant to fly with and capable of doing the job well. Bitter certainly isn't a trait that I've heard mentioned.
The Chief Pilot puts prospective employees through the "long haul" test. If you havn't annoyed him (and he'd still go for a beer with you) after 2 hours of flying in the sim then he'll consider you for employment.
Regards,
M
Whilst I appreciate your comments, I agree that you sound rather bitter. I'm not sure you have chosen the right forum to "sound off" and I feel strongly that the reason you may not have been successful in the past is your strong and one-sided opinion. From speaking one Chief Pilot, two training captains one captain and eight first officers over the last year or so one thing has been repeated by ALL of them: In their opinion, you don't need to be rediculously intelligent or talented to be a pilot but mild mannered, pleasant to fly with and capable of doing the job well. Bitter certainly isn't a trait that I've heard mentioned.
The Chief Pilot puts prospective employees through the "long haul" test. If you havn't annoyed him (and he'd still go for a beer with you) after 2 hours of flying in the sim then he'll consider you for employment.
Regards,
M
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1) An airline offering sponsorship allows them to have their pilots trained as they would like,
2) The bonding aspect ensures (in most cases) pilots remain with the airline for a long period...a company such as flybe may, until now?!, have lost piltos as they move onto bigger jets etc,
3) Who's to say that having payed for your own licence makes you better suited for the job?!
4) If a pilot isnt type rated for the job then it has the whole, 'pay for your own or company pay for it' debate....If the airline pays (£15000-20000?) then i think you'll find it not too different to their contribution to this scheme, and the pilot has no bond to the company... why should they do that?!!!
shout me down if i'm wrong!
Cheers
CB1
2) The bonding aspect ensures (in most cases) pilots remain with the airline for a long period...a company such as flybe may, until now?!, have lost piltos as they move onto bigger jets etc,
3) Who's to say that having payed for your own licence makes you better suited for the job?!
4) If a pilot isnt type rated for the job then it has the whole, 'pay for your own or company pay for it' debate....If the airline pays (£15000-20000?) then i think you'll find it not too different to their contribution to this scheme, and the pilot has no bond to the company... why should they do that?!!!
shout me down if i'm wrong!
Cheers
CB1
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I am certainly not doing it for the status and have wanted to become an airline pilot for as long as I can remember, but had almost given up due to the financial implications, however this provides an opportunity where I could actually fulfil my ambition and not have to worry as much about the financial implications.
Just for the record I have an engineering degree and am a gliderpilot so the sponsorship application is definately not something done on a whim.
p.s. if anyone can let me know the format of the tests and what style/sort of question will be asked i would much appreciate it.
Just for the record I have an engineering degree and am a gliderpilot so the sponsorship application is definately not something done on a whim.
p.s. if anyone can let me know the format of the tests and what style/sort of question will be asked i would much appreciate it.
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Has anyone else had their reply pro-forma and cheque lost by the Post Office??
Looks like I won't be joining you on Friday unless I can convince Cabair that the Royal Mail are shocking. Luckily I sent it registered post but the pathetic £93 compensation really doesn't match the chance to compete for sponsorship!
Regards,
M
Looks like I won't be joining you on Friday unless I can convince Cabair that the Royal Mail are shocking. Luckily I sent it registered post but the pathetic £93 compensation really doesn't match the chance to compete for sponsorship!
Regards,
M
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Have anybody received confirmation or any further correspondence since sending off the cheque and the reply?
Just wondering since Brasher, you said the Royal Mail have lost your cheque.
On another point does anyone know the easiest way to get to Cranfield from Milton Keynes station, is there any transport, as I know Cranfield is a little remote.
Aerfungus
Just wondering since Brasher, you said the Royal Mail have lost your cheque.
On another point does anyone know the easiest way to get to Cranfield from Milton Keynes station, is there any transport, as I know Cranfield is a little remote.
Aerfungus
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Brasher,
I'd say contact the sponsors and explain the case! I think they will understand about the royalmail, afterall they must have heard of this happening before as they must post many items per day.....
PoS
I'd say contact the sponsors and explain the case! I think they will understand about the royalmail, afterall they must have heard of this happening before as they must post many items per day.....
PoS
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'Phoned Cabair today. Tim Sharland was exceptionally helpful and allowed me to pay by debit card since I had a receipt from the Post Office showing proof of postage. So... See you all on Fiday. (And I get my £93 compensation from the Post Office). Bounus!
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Anyone else wondering how they've even got a chance of doing well tomorrow? Ha ha, just sitting doing some revision, realising how little I know, especially at A/S level!! Argghh!!