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Old 23rd Oct 2006, 14:33
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Fax back on!

Fax machine is apparently back up and running

With the foundation course, am I correct in thinking that it also encompasses aspects other than just getting a PPL? I already have a PPL at total time of around 300hrs now (Inc. 100+ SLMG and 100+ Military EFT and flying), I imagine if I *did* get selected (In the big hypothetical world!) I would do the short course, but was exactly does it involve?

Cheers in advance,

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Old 23rd Oct 2006, 15:29
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Flik,

As I understand it, for someone in your position the short course would probably involve little more than familiarisation with the plane you will be flying (Katanas or Alpha 160s) and a few navexes to get accustomed to the local area and procedures. This might only take 5- 10 hours so you would get the rest (Full course is 67 hours) refunded back.
You only use the hours they feel you need.
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Old 23rd Oct 2006, 23:49
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Originally Posted by man T2 View Post
Hi everyone,
I am currently studying my A-levels in Statistical maths, Physics and French. I have 9 GCSE's at A*-C. I have come to the point where I need to make the decision whether to go to uni to study what probably would be French. Providing I get all B's in my A-levels (which I am on course to do) will a degree in French really be an advantage when applying to 'ctc wings'. I feel that doing a degree would just be a waste of time and money, and I would be much better off just applying to ctc without a degree but good A-levels.
Should I go on and do a degree, or just apply straight away once I have completed my A-levels. Some help please!
I faced a similar problem.... in the end I applied to Uni (also to do French), and took a gap year. So applied to CTC during the gap year, while working to save money for uni.
i was lucky enough to be accepted by CTC so cancelled my uni place, and disappeared to Oz for a few months with my uni money! But my uni place was there as a safety net incase i didnt get CTC.
A word of warning though, if you're applying without flying experience, as was my case... then make sure you've got something up your sleeve to show that you've got what they're looking for.... motivation, commitment etc... which a degree could demonstrate. But they're are plenty of other ways of doing this.
Sometimes I wish Id have done the uni thing, but I forget about that once I get to 'the office'!

Best of luck
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 15:59
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Finally managed to fax off my 4 answers...
Next question - I take it that it's about 3 weeks before you hear anything post-receieving the answers?

Also, PILAPT, what sort of level are the SDT maths Q's? Are they generally easy numbers? And how bad is the long div? Overall, how do they compare to the miltary aptitude, and in comparison, does a pass at the military aptitude equate to the pass level required for CTC? Or is the standard for CTC lower/higher?

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Old 26th Oct 2006, 14:50
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Originally Posted by man T2 View Post
Hi everyone,
I am currently studying my A-levels in Statistical maths, Physics and French. I have 9 GCSE's at A*-C. I have come to the point where I need to make the decision whether to go to uni to study what probably would be French. Providing I get all B's in my A-levels (which I am on course to do) will a degree in French really be an advantage when applying to 'ctc wings'. I feel that doing a degree would just be a waste of time and money, and I would be much better off just applying to ctc without a degree but good A-levels.
Should I go on and do a degree, or just apply straight away once I have completed my A-levels. Some help please!
I think Spaceman18 has the right idea. Apply for a degree course and either go through with it or use it as a back-up plan. I decided to go and get a degree, towards the end of it I applied for CTC and got in, so two success stories for u, one with a degree, one without, but the point is both spaceman18 and I had a degree course in place. A word of advice though, I would advise u to at least get a good few months of degree course behind you, one of the guys who I did stage 3 with was just about to start a degree at that point, and he failed but was invited back, he was told to re-apply after he had done at least some of his degree, so its definately worth your while. Just my point of view, though its entirely up to you, and remember a degree is a degree, even if you do french it shows that you have the capability to undertake studies, which is 1 of the things they're looking for!

good luck!
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 14:54
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CP44

Anyone else doing the long foundation course on CP44?
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 21:30
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Red face

Well its the end of the road for me as far as CTC are concerned. Had a really good and enjoyable day at Dibden Manor but I was not sucessful in my Stage 3 and am not being targetted for future selection. I must admit Im bitterly disappointed and would really like to know the reasons for me being turned down, even as a means by which to better myself for the future but as CTC say, they dont have the resources for it. As im sure the other fellas in my group will admit, we thought we did pretty well in the group exercises... not being too dominating or submisive and working well as a team so looks like, for me atleast, it was the interview that let me down. Ive lways said if I dont get into the CTC course ill try somewhere else but tbh CTC runs the most comprehensive scheme out there and employment prospects, from what ive read and heard, arent nearly as high with CTCs competitors.

All in all, however, its been a brilliant experience and I dont regret it whatsoever. I highly recommend anyone thinking of going for this scheme to do it, the benefits far outweight the potential loses
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 21:47
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Bigaircraft: "...I would advise u to at least get a good few months of degree course behind you...he was told to re-apply after he had done at least some of his degree, so its definately worth your while..."

You say CTC suggested getting a few months of a degree? Worthless on paper, you could spend 3 months going out and never attend a single lecture. Decent work experience would demonstrate this better and earn you some . Don't just go through the motions of spending all that cash at uni only to drop out after 5 minutes just to prove a point!

You do not need practice at dropping out! They'll be looking for evidence of commitment and dropping everything just to go off on the latest adventure will achieve the following: "well, he/she is obviously a bit of a butterfly, realistically how long will they stick it?!"

Even if you stick it through 99% of a degree and then fold you've still wasted all that time/effort/money. Pointless. Counts for nothing until you get that scroll.

Either do it properly or don't do it at all! Discuss.
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Old 27th Oct 2006, 01:27
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Originally Posted by Bigaircraft View Post
Anyone else doing the long foundation course on CP44?

Yeah, I am on CP44 and doing the long foundation... I was accepted back in July, it's been absolute murder waiting for the start to come round but now it is nearly here!!!

Check your PM's


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Old 27th Oct 2006, 10:43
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Well done Baircraft.
Im on CP44 Long too.
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Old 27th Oct 2006, 13:45
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Originally Posted by concordski View Post
Bigaircraft: "...I would advise u to at least get a good few months of degree course behind you...he was told to re-apply after he had done at least some of his degree, so its definately worth your while..."

You say CTC suggested getting a few months of a degree? Worthless on paper, you could spend 3 months going out and never attend a single lecture. Decent work experience would demonstrate this better and earn you some £. Don't just go through the motions of spending all that cash at uni only to drop out after 5 minutes just to prove a point!

You do not need practice at dropping out! They'll be looking for evidence of commitment and dropping everything just to go off on the latest adventure will achieve the following: "well, he/she is obviously a bit of a butterfly, realistically how long will they stick it?!"

Even if you stick it through 99% of a degree and then fold you've still wasted all that time/effort/money. Pointless. Counts for nothing until you get that scroll.

Either do it properly or don't do it at all! Discuss.
I don't think the idea that CTC had regarding doing 3-6 months of a degree before re-application is necessarily a bad thing at all. They are certainly going to want to see your marks and test results over the period in any case. It also certainly helps you in getting some university time under your belt if you do not get through the re-application process, in which case you can continue and complete the degree.

It also has to be remembered that credits gained throughout a degree stand for a period of time (in South Africa I think its 5 years or so), so within that time frame you can return and complete the course if so desired, often as a part time student if you don't have many subjects left. There are plenty people in the working world including the pilot industry who do this. Obviously, if you are nearly finished with a degree then it is certainly worth sticking it out and then going to CTC instead of dropping it midstream.
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Old 27th Oct 2006, 16:41
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Originally Posted by concordski View Post
Bigaircraft: "...I would advise u to at least get a good few months of degree course behind you...he was told to re-apply after he had done at least some of his degree, so its definately worth your while..."

You say CTC suggested getting a few months of a degree? Worthless on paper, you could spend 3 months going out and never attend a single lecture. Decent work experience would demonstrate this better and earn you some . Don't just go through the motions of spending all that cash at uni only to drop out after 5 minutes just to prove a point!

You do not need practice at dropping out! They'll be looking for evidence of commitment and dropping everything just to go off on the latest adventure will achieve the following: "well, he/she is obviously a bit of a butterfly, realistically how long will they stick it?!"

Even if you stick it through 99% of a degree and then fold you've still wasted all that time/effort/money. Pointless. Counts for nothing until you get that scroll.

Either do it properly or don't do it at all! Discuss.
Well from what I heard from the guy who failed, he said that they had told him to come back in 6 months after he had done abit of his degree, so it's obviously not just the qualification they're looking at, i think its the life experience as well, I'm only going off what they told him.

With regards to you saying its a waist of money if you dont do it, I do admit that my opinion on whether its worhtwhile or not has been a bit skewed as I went to college in scotland, we dont have to pay for further education, but if your doing it in england or wales then i agree there is a question on whether just starting a course and not finishing it is a worthwhile thing to do. I think CTC told my friend to do at least 6 months of the course because he lives in scotland and it wouldn't be too much of a waste of money to do so. I agree I should have thought this one through

Still its up to the individual in question whethr they do it or not, and i maintain that having some further education behind you, completed or not can only help you...provided you dont drop out of course!
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Old 27th Oct 2006, 21:54
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Phase 2 Candidates

Hi,

I'm just posting to see how everyone who attended Phase 2 today (27th Oct) got on.

I managed to scrape a pass, got Phase 3 on 22nd Nov - was kind of hoping it would be sooner!

Anyway, if you're out there, get in touch!

Kris
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Old 30th Oct 2006, 06:56
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Hello,

Thank you to all those for the information provided here. It really is very helpful.

As I understand it, assessment day 2 is a series of tests covering numeracy and the PILAPT.

However, is there any type of presentation required by the student on assessment day 2? ie, talking about who they are, hobbies etc? I haven't seen any mention on this, but would be grateful if you could let me know.

Many thanks in advance.

JC.
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Old 31st Oct 2006, 20:08
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JC, No introductions at stage 2, just simply give Daphne your paperwork and go and have a presentation by Lee Woodward/Chris Clarke/Steve Billet/other important person before you do the maths and PILAPTS. Good Luck.

In other news I had my meet and greet on the 26th with some really great guys who will now be on their way to NZ!(lucky ******s) I'm obviously holding the fort back in Blighty until I can join them on the 27th Dec, but am becoming increasinly concerned I'm gona be heading out on my own? Anyone joining me? I'm CP43 Short, but sure I've met everyone else!?

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Old 1st Nov 2006, 07:04
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MT

Ayeup mate. I have just had the bad news from DB saying that I am on my lonesome also going out on the 22nd Nov. 24hrs sat next to a random........ god bless them
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Old 1st Nov 2006, 10:04
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Phase 4 9th November

Anyone going to phase 4 on the 9th November?
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Old 1st Nov 2006, 16:01
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Hello mates,

Will be at CTC end of November for stage 2, I believe I roughly know what tests to expect but how does it work exactly ?
What do you start with & how do they incorporate additional tests ?
By the way, how many tasks do u have to manage in the end ? (other than joystick ?) How long does it last for ?

Thx for kind replies, cheers & let me know if you are in the area !!
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Old 1st Nov 2006, 19:07
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A-levels

Hi ,
I'm currently considering which A-levels to take. I will be taking Phyics Maths, but stuck on a third. I am unsure which of the folowing to take: Geography, Law, French or Business. I want to apply to CTC but obviously want to keep my options open.
Any advice?
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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 06:24
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TCX_757,

You should do the subject that interests you the most. You're more likely to enjoy it, you'll be better motivated, and therefore likely to achieve the best grade you can. Then at least you will have kept your options open in an area that you have a liking to.

Suisse Pilatus,

Suggest you read the 1500 odd posts in this thread old bean. You may find the answers you seek, as many before you have. It's a small effort really, if it helps get you more clued up on the selection.

Regards,

Streety.
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