BA now recruiting A320/737/757/767/777/747
The cadet scheme is a different fish kettle. If they started it up tomorrow it would take two years to put pilots on the line from it. They need people by the end of this year.
I have a hunch that if the cadet scheme returns it will be remarkably similar to one offered by easyJet using CTC.
Useful insights for Wannabes can be found on this thread: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=138688
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I have a hunch that if the cadet scheme returns it will be remarkably similar to one offered by easyJet using CTC.
Useful insights for Wannabes can be found on this thread: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=138688
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I am sure however that BA don't just plan for tomorrow, but also a long time into the future; also I realise that it may be CTC-like as has been debated here in the past.
I was interested really in what the internal thinking has been among flight crew as to whether something, whatever form it takes, might start in the future - from their rumours of what management are currently thinking.
Any ideas? I'll start a new thread if more appropriate.
I was interested really in what the internal thinking has been among flight crew as to whether something, whatever form it takes, might start in the future - from their rumours of what management are currently thinking.
Any ideas? I'll start a new thread if more appropriate.
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Alternatively, BA could just pay a professional salary and it may attract the pilots they are looking for. Instead, they try to do things on the cheap, and it will end up costing them more in the long run. Again..
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Don’t go to BA.
Why?
Well, in the past two weeks I’ve experienced:
· An hour wait for transport between terminals to operate a flight that was already 2hrs late. (we got into a engineers van, - some entire crews got London buses between terminals.)
· Cabin crew not prepared to dispatch on a domestic sector without a 5th crewmember.
· 3 Aircraft stands full of misplaced baggage.
· Cabin crew requiring '38 minutes at table' (to eat at a crew lounge) after a single 1.5hr sector, causing delays to get worse
· Tug drivers disconnecting and going home, despite being already connected to an aircraft with a pushback sequence number and passengers that are already 3 hrs late.
· Cabin crew not getting up to start their service until the TOC, on a 40 minute sector
· Dispatchers that are ‘not permitted any longer’ to print off flight plans form there computers for flight crew.
· Airside bus drivers dropping an outbound crew off at the aircraft, f’ing and blinding at me because I have asked for them to take our inbound crew back to the car park. And then driving off without us
· Finding crew buses ‘hiding’ in Terminal 1, when there are crews that have been waiting for 2 hrs for transport to or from their next trip on other stands, because the bus dispatcher radio controller is ‘not allowed to call them’
· Company radio frequencies replying to 25% of radio call for the whole of the LHR fleet
· Cabin crew that are not asked & ‘not permitted’ by the union to go into discretion (or they’ll be fined - allegedly…)
· Multiple & extensively delayed departures not having any customer service staff in attendance at the gates
· Crew control not advising dispatchers or flight crew that their flight which is waiting to board has no cabin crew to cover the flight
· The presumption that cabin crew will never go into discretion.
· Flights being retimed (read: delayed) for cabin crew needing more rest in the hotel than the flight crew
· The presumption that flight crew will ALWAYS go into discretion without referring to them
· Several times a week, being asked by cabin crew if we can ensure that our passengers who pay our mortgages, will be delayed further than they are already so they get £50,
I’ve worked in some grot holes, in & out of aviation in the past, but the sheer negativity and CANT do attitude at BA is really beyond belief.
If you think the continuity of your pay check is safe, stay where you are.
I wish I had...
Why?
Well, in the past two weeks I’ve experienced:
· An hour wait for transport between terminals to operate a flight that was already 2hrs late. (we got into a engineers van, - some entire crews got London buses between terminals.)
· Cabin crew not prepared to dispatch on a domestic sector without a 5th crewmember.
· 3 Aircraft stands full of misplaced baggage.
· Cabin crew requiring '38 minutes at table' (to eat at a crew lounge) after a single 1.5hr sector, causing delays to get worse
· Tug drivers disconnecting and going home, despite being already connected to an aircraft with a pushback sequence number and passengers that are already 3 hrs late.
· Cabin crew not getting up to start their service until the TOC, on a 40 minute sector
· Dispatchers that are ‘not permitted any longer’ to print off flight plans form there computers for flight crew.
· Airside bus drivers dropping an outbound crew off at the aircraft, f’ing and blinding at me because I have asked for them to take our inbound crew back to the car park. And then driving off without us
· Finding crew buses ‘hiding’ in Terminal 1, when there are crews that have been waiting for 2 hrs for transport to or from their next trip on other stands, because the bus dispatcher radio controller is ‘not allowed to call them’
· Company radio frequencies replying to 25% of radio call for the whole of the LHR fleet
· Cabin crew that are not asked & ‘not permitted’ by the union to go into discretion (or they’ll be fined - allegedly…)
· Multiple & extensively delayed departures not having any customer service staff in attendance at the gates
· Crew control not advising dispatchers or flight crew that their flight which is waiting to board has no cabin crew to cover the flight
· The presumption that cabin crew will never go into discretion.
· Flights being retimed (read: delayed) for cabin crew needing more rest in the hotel than the flight crew
· The presumption that flight crew will ALWAYS go into discretion without referring to them
· Several times a week, being asked by cabin crew if we can ensure that our passengers who pay our mortgages, will be delayed further than they are already so they get £50,
I’ve worked in some grot holes, in & out of aviation in the past, but the sheer negativity and CANT do attitude at BA is really beyond belief.
If you think the continuity of your pay check is safe, stay where you are.
I wish I had...
Couldonlyaffordafiver
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If BA planned for the future, the cadet scheme would still be running. I would be inclined to agree that it is unlikely that any future scheme would be fully sponsored as in the past, although there are no current plans.
In answer to who will be in a long haul command in 30 years time, assuming I have to work to 60 (God forbid), the answer is ME (having by then been a long haul Captain for 20 ish years). I am quite young (barely 30) and quite senior therefore I am quite lucky. However there are many people who are about my seniority or slightly senior to me who are YOUNGER. They will be long haul Captains for LONGER than me.
BA isn't a bad place to be by any means. Roster stability is excellent and the money is reasonable, if you ignore the pension. There are some points to bear in mind though:
- If you are close to a command in your current company, decide how important a command is to you. If you come to BA, it will not happen for a loooonnnngggg time and if you're over 30, perhaps not at all, certainly on longhaul.
- You are looked down upon by the rest of the company, including your own management.
On shorthaul perhaps. The top of the list (realistically top 10% at best) involves writing your own roster. Once out of the blind lines, your bid will be no better than a blind line until you're out of the bottom 25-30%. At that point you will (probably) achieve your days off but don't expect to get any decent trips.
Like I said, my brethren will be longhaul captains for 15 to 20 years, however it will take potentially another 10 years for us to achieve those commands. Until we do, and we are many, we will mostly be at the top of the longhaul co-pilots lists.
Please join us, the opportunities remain although they have diminished over the past few years (particularly the regions). Just join with your eyes open.
In answer to who will be in a long haul command in 30 years time, assuming I have to work to 60 (God forbid), the answer is ME (having by then been a long haul Captain for 20 ish years). I am quite young (barely 30) and quite senior therefore I am quite lucky. However there are many people who are about my seniority or slightly senior to me who are YOUNGER. They will be long haul Captains for LONGER than me.
BA isn't a bad place to be by any means. Roster stability is excellent and the money is reasonable, if you ignore the pension. There are some points to bear in mind though:
- If you are close to a command in your current company, decide how important a command is to you. If you come to BA, it will not happen for a loooonnnngggg time and if you're over 30, perhaps not at all, certainly on longhaul.
- You are looked down upon by the rest of the company, including your own management.
It just does not work like that. Bottom for 3 years, middle for 3, top for 3, maybe. Anywhere above the bottom 15% of any fleets seniority list will get you a trip line, and then with so many people bidding with so many objectives most people always get close to what they are looking for. The top of the list almost involves writing your own roster. And THEN you get your command having enjoyed some pretty goood years topping your respective list.
Like I said, my brethren will be longhaul captains for 15 to 20 years, however it will take potentially another 10 years for us to achieve those commands. Until we do, and we are many, we will mostly be at the top of the longhaul co-pilots lists.
Please join us, the opportunities remain although they have diminished over the past few years (particularly the regions). Just join with your eyes open.
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This is a very low key thread.
Out of interest - anyone been through the selection want to shed any light on the procedure? Sim check profile etc?
just out of interest you understand.
Out of interest - anyone been through the selection want to shed any light on the procedure? Sim check profile etc?
just out of interest you understand.
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just my guess using logic...
lead time for sponsored cadet pilots about 2 years but Euro age laws come in in OCT 2006 yep about 2 years BA would be nuts not to wait until the implications of the law are certain . It is unlikely that these implications will be known until early next year .
BA will have 2 choices if it does not get enough applicants , reduce the requirements for applicants or look at SS/partial sponsorship .
Those who have paid for their own type ratings and bought 100 sectors line training may have made the right move .
Only another 73 sectors to go .
lead time for sponsored cadet pilots about 2 years but Euro age laws come in in OCT 2006 yep about 2 years BA would be nuts not to wait until the implications of the law are certain . It is unlikely that these implications will be known until early next year .
BA will have 2 choices if it does not get enough applicants , reduce the requirements for applicants or look at SS/partial sponsorship .
Those who have paid for their own type ratings and bought 100 sectors line training may have made the right move .
Only another 73 sectors to go .
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I started the online application a few weeks ago and got an email from BA yesterday saying when will I finish it, as the closing date is soon. OK it was an auto respones that was programmed to contact all unfinished applications, but it seems that if there was enough interest they wouldn't need to round up stragglers.
(I only applied out of interest. I've no real intention of joining BA. Bit of a dinosaur these days)
(I only applied out of interest. I've no real intention of joining BA. Bit of a dinosaur these days)
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Dont ask me how I know, but for the 100 or so A320 pilots BA is looking for, they have interviewed about 400, and just about scraped the 100 they were looking for. "Had real trouble finding".... personality being the major factor...
Conclusions:
- It seems they are now done looking for [minimally, at least] experienced A320 pilots
- They will not begin any cadet scheme again for a long while
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Conclusions:
- It seems they are now done looking for [minimally, at least] experienced A320 pilots
- They will not begin any cadet scheme again for a long while
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Does anyone have any information on the selection process for direct entry pilots? I've tried a search on pprune but to no avail.
How many days does the process take, is ther a medical, what is the sim profile for the 1-11?
Any links or suggestions of reading material welcome.
Cheers all
Jemy
How many days does the process take, is ther a medical, what is the sim profile for the 1-11?
Any links or suggestions of reading material welcome.
Cheers all
Jemy
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no sponsor - that info is now rather out of date, although some of it still useful.
Jemy -
1) Fill in online application form (Closing date is soon !)
2) Get phone call inviting to interview (seems to be 3 or so days after submission)
3) Day One : Interview, Numerical reasoning, Verbal reasoning, Aptitude testing, and group exercise
If sucessful you will get a phone call that evening and do day two
4) Day Two : Sim Ride of BAC 1-11 (Sorry no profile). Given details on day.
5) I believe there is no medical........
Jemy -
1) Fill in online application form (Closing date is soon !)
2) Get phone call inviting to interview (seems to be 3 or so days after submission)
3) Day One : Interview, Numerical reasoning, Verbal reasoning, Aptitude testing, and group exercise
If sucessful you will get a phone call that evening and do day two
4) Day Two : Sim Ride of BAC 1-11 (Sorry no profile). Given details on day.
5) I believe there is no medical........
