Rating then job?
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IRISHWINGS, sounds like I went to the same place as you did to do the rating, a great bunch of people.
I spoke to a lot of people, did my own research and took a gamble and I got a job even before my rating was stamped into my licence.
I also noticed that airlines are more willing to speak to you because they now know that you are able to get through a rating, which is an important financial assesment they have to make.
My view on this subject is that the UK aviation industry has changed a lot in the last 3 - 4 years and companies are cutting costs where ever they can so they let the pilot pay for the rating these days. Whether you do the rating now and get a job later or get a job and do the rating YOU still pay.
So to me it makes more sence to get a rating first and be at the front of the queue rather than waiting for an airline to give you an interview, which will be very challenging because there will no doubt be lots of applicants, and then do the rating which you have to pay for anyway.
I would say that there are a lot of B737 type rated pilots without jobs so don't go for that one is my advice, that's what made me decide to do the ATR rating and that there was a good chance of a job at that time.
What ever you decide, GOOD LUCK
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I spoke to a lot of people, did my own research and took a gamble and I got a job even before my rating was stamped into my licence.
I also noticed that airlines are more willing to speak to you because they now know that you are able to get through a rating, which is an important financial assesment they have to make.
My view on this subject is that the UK aviation industry has changed a lot in the last 3 - 4 years and companies are cutting costs where ever they can so they let the pilot pay for the rating these days. Whether you do the rating now and get a job later or get a job and do the rating YOU still pay.
So to me it makes more sence to get a rating first and be at the front of the queue rather than waiting for an airline to give you an interview, which will be very challenging because there will no doubt be lots of applicants, and then do the rating which you have to pay for anyway.
I would say that there are a lot of B737 type rated pilots without jobs so don't go for that one is my advice, that's what made me decide to do the ATR rating and that there was a good chance of a job at that time.
What ever you decide, GOOD LUCK
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What if?
What if the UK airline industry was now going the way of the Continent?
Accross the Channel, if you don't have a type rating, usually you won't get a look in, so most student pilots take that into account when financing their training; if you ask them how much it's gonna cost, most will answer 120,000 Euro or so.
Why? In most Continental countries, bonds are illegal, therefore the airlines don't wanna pay for a type rating if you can leave when you like... Therefore, only the majors (KLM, Air France, Alitalia, etc) recruit some low-hours guys without the TR. Other airlines will want a TR before they even start talking to you. Full stop.
My point? It looks like the UK is going down the same route, and I'm afraid that the TR as minimum requirement may well be here to stay. Remember, the airline scene has changed a lot as of late (not always for the better), and bean counters are now literally at the controls of most airlines. They won't surrender control without a fight...
Is it right to have to pay for your own TR? Of course not, but we might have to learn to live with that situation...
Accross the Channel, if you don't have a type rating, usually you won't get a look in, so most student pilots take that into account when financing their training; if you ask them how much it's gonna cost, most will answer 120,000 Euro or so.
Why? In most Continental countries, bonds are illegal, therefore the airlines don't wanna pay for a type rating if you can leave when you like... Therefore, only the majors (KLM, Air France, Alitalia, etc) recruit some low-hours guys without the TR. Other airlines will want a TR before they even start talking to you. Full stop.
My point? It looks like the UK is going down the same route, and I'm afraid that the TR as minimum requirement may well be here to stay. Remember, the airline scene has changed a lot as of late (not always for the better), and bean counters are now literally at the controls of most airlines. They won't surrender control without a fight...
Is it right to have to pay for your own TR? Of course not, but we might have to learn to live with that situation...
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The Company I work for has recently taken a couple of self sponsored F/O's from the TRTO you are talking about. From what I saw they had nothing but praise for the place and had no problem during line training here.
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Harvester,
I didn't see the CTC ATP Scheme on your list of options. It really should be checked out if you're 34 or under. For the same price as an FI rating, you could be in the RH seat of an A320/B737 in a few months.
Do a search on this forum for more info - it's a fantastic scheme if you're reasonably sharp and hard working.
I didn't see the CTC ATP Scheme on your list of options. It really should be checked out if you're 34 or under. For the same price as an FI rating, you could be in the RH seat of an A320/B737 in a few months.
Do a search on this forum for more info - it's a fantastic scheme if you're reasonably sharp and hard working.
