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Dear All,
Very impressed and happy about all the answers given to help for my future interview....
Nico si tu astoujours mon numero appelle moi on etait a manchester ds le meme appart...
Hows your gf?going back to MAN?
M.85
i forgot..
I will of course let you know the inside info such as how many pilots required,hours average,interview process,bases as soon as im done.
Capt crash now you make me nervous telling me about all these places you fly to and the company sounds great....really want that job now...
Safe flying to all,
M.85
Very impressed and happy about all the answers given to help for my future interview....
Nico si tu astoujours mon numero appelle moi on etait a manchester ds le meme appart...
Hows your gf?going back to MAN?
M.85
i forgot..
I will of course let you know the inside info such as how many pilots required,hours average,interview process,bases as soon as im done.
Capt crash now you make me nervous telling me about all these places you fly to and the company sounds great....really want that job now...
Safe flying to all,
M.85
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Hi All,
Interview was last Wednesday..I must say I was very impressed with Netjets introduction,they seem to really care about their crews and it made me realise that Corporate is the way to go..
Why would one want to fly for a charter which makes you pay for your seat and dumps you after 6 months..and you find yourself without a job for the winter..I dont think its the future for us..
NetJets Director of Operations is from Oklahoma and made me remember how down to earth and professional are these Americans..(he said some about clients not giving RATs ASS about the food but very demanding on the pilots..)long time since I heard this phrase..wouldnt come out of a BA DO i believe.
They are proud of giving excellent training,(much more than the airline,including aerobatics lessons for all their crews in Texas!),the pay wont make you a millionnaire how they said but the possibility to live wherever you want (one hour within a major airport)and move easily within Europe.Some pilots live up north in the summer and migrate to the Southern coutries during witer time..
The interview was the American way,no technical questions just some common sense,not that easy when 5 people are watching your every move...but feasible I guess.
2 pilots and the Do plus HR lady and Cabin Crew Rep.
The 2 pilots were very friendly as they approach you outside the interview office,people youd fly with anytime.
They have interviewed 60 people,and the ones selected will be invited to a sim session in Amsterdam or Gatwick next week.
They are planning to hire 70 more in the next 6 months.
The other selected guys with me were 2 cabin crews(very cute and friendly),one swedish(ex SAS),2 frenchs(both ex airforce pilots,one ex Navy pilot and Swiss Crew),4 or 5 Uk with various experience,heard of Hercules..)...wonder why they picked me apart from having flown in the US as a freight dog...
Age were varying between 28(me) ,36 and i guess around 45 years old.
I must say that the corporate world is very appealing for someone looking to explore their 140 destinations countries ,flexible and who likes the direct contact with people(FBO agents and clients) rather than being in a 737 seat and never get to meet the passengers..
Its a choice.It is mine if i get through for sure.
An American owned airline operating in the Europe,what more can one ask...
Thank you all for your answers/questions and PPRUNE for this excellent website:I will try to answer the Pmessages now.
Safe Flying,
M.85
Interview was last Wednesday..I must say I was very impressed with Netjets introduction,they seem to really care about their crews and it made me realise that Corporate is the way to go..
Why would one want to fly for a charter which makes you pay for your seat and dumps you after 6 months..and you find yourself without a job for the winter..I dont think its the future for us..
NetJets Director of Operations is from Oklahoma and made me remember how down to earth and professional are these Americans..(he said some about clients not giving RATs ASS about the food but very demanding on the pilots..)long time since I heard this phrase..wouldnt come out of a BA DO i believe.
They are proud of giving excellent training,(much more than the airline,including aerobatics lessons for all their crews in Texas!),the pay wont make you a millionnaire how they said but the possibility to live wherever you want (one hour within a major airport)and move easily within Europe.Some pilots live up north in the summer and migrate to the Southern coutries during witer time..
The interview was the American way,no technical questions just some common sense,not that easy when 5 people are watching your every move...but feasible I guess.
2 pilots and the Do plus HR lady and Cabin Crew Rep.
The 2 pilots were very friendly as they approach you outside the interview office,people youd fly with anytime.
They have interviewed 60 people,and the ones selected will be invited to a sim session in Amsterdam or Gatwick next week.
They are planning to hire 70 more in the next 6 months.
The other selected guys with me were 2 cabin crews(very cute and friendly),one swedish(ex SAS),2 frenchs(both ex airforce pilots,one ex Navy pilot and Swiss Crew),4 or 5 Uk with various experience,heard of Hercules..)...wonder why they picked me apart from having flown in the US as a freight dog...
Age were varying between 28(me) ,36 and i guess around 45 years old.
I must say that the corporate world is very appealing for someone looking to explore their 140 destinations countries ,flexible and who likes the direct contact with people(FBO agents and clients) rather than being in a 737 seat and never get to meet the passengers..
Its a choice.It is mine if i get through for sure.
An American owned airline operating in the Europe,what more can one ask...
Thank you all for your answers/questions and PPRUNE for this excellent website:I will try to answer the Pmessages now.
Safe Flying,
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Hey Machtruc décimal 85,
Well I really hope you'll get through!!!
It sounds great and I would love to part of them.
So you should know in a week time...
My first assesment day with Britatruc was pretty hard but
somehow I'm invited for the second assesment, so will see...
Good luck for the future .85 !
Asta luego.
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Well I really hope you'll get through!!!
It sounds great and I would love to part of them.
So you should know in a week time...
My first assesment day with Britatruc was pretty hard but
somehow I'm invited for the second assesment, so will see...
Good luck for the future .85 !
Asta luego.
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I really do wish you the best for the next phase but trust me those rose tinted spectacles you're wearing will come off after the 6 month or so honeymoon period is over.
"they seem to really care about their crews " No they only care about not having to charter out and the company is growing far too quickly. If its all so rosy how come 4 Brits have resigned recently?
I really do wish you the best for the next phase but trust me those rose tinted spectacles you're wearing will come off after the 6 month or so honeymoon period is over.
"they seem to really care about their crews " No they only care about not having to charter out and the company is growing far too quickly. If its all so rosy how come 4 Brits have resigned recently?
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Wrongsisters,
Only heard of one resigning,didnt ask him why.I am sure he has his reasons and the three other brits too.
A honey moon of 6 months... seems great !!at the moment im single,cant be worth than that.
Nico,Congrats for your Britatruc 2nd day assessment schedule.
What does it include?you see you arent that bad at Psychometrics and group work as you mentionned me since ive known you.
Safe flying to you and I truly wish you all the best.
M.85
Only heard of one resigning,didnt ask him why.I am sure he has his reasons and the three other brits too.
A honey moon of 6 months... seems great !!at the moment im single,cant be worth than that.
Nico,Congrats for your Britatruc 2nd day assessment schedule.
What does it include?you see you arent that bad at Psychometrics and group work as you mentionned me since ive known you.
Safe flying to you and I truly wish you all the best.
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Hey Mach.85,
Thanks dude, Will see how it goes, Actually the second day at britatruc is 2 group exercises then a short company introduction.
The 3rd day is a personal interview then latter a Sim.
When will you know about Netjets?
It sounds really great...
keep up the good work !
See you soon
LvL CHG : I did not get an interview with Netjets, I'm currently trying with Britatruc, I sent about 3 applications to netjets....
So long,
N.
And AMEX Where are You?
Thanks dude, Will see how it goes, Actually the second day at britatruc is 2 group exercises then a short company introduction.
The 3rd day is a personal interview then latter a Sim.
When will you know about Netjets?
It sounds really great...
keep up the good work !
See you soon
LvL CHG : I did not get an interview with Netjets, I'm currently trying with Britatruc, I sent about 3 applications to netjets....
So long,
N.
And AMEX Where are You?
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LVLCHG,
No idea about the A/C yet..need to get to the sim first..but will let you know.
Nico,
When is your group exercise thing?Maybe you should make a cake or bring some pastis 51?
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Hows your sister?
M.85
nico,
does it mean you have to fly to LTN 2 more times?
Spendy this aviation business..
No idea about the A/C yet..need to get to the sim first..but will let you know.
Nico,
When is your group exercise thing?Maybe you should make a cake or bring some pastis 51?
,Hows your sister?
M.85
nico,
does it mean you have to fly to LTN 2 more times?
Spendy this aviation business..
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Hey M.850,
My second assesment day is this wednesday, and I'm going back to Liverpool tomorrow, then I'll take my old but distinguish Bimma to luton this tuesday then spend one night and the next day interview.
YES it's costing me quite a lot to go there !!!
But no other options !!!
Still haven't heard from Bmi Baby so...
As far as the money goes it's getting pretty tough...
So long my friend...
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N.
Lala is doing good she just got a CDI with her company so all is well, she's waiting for YOU !!!
My second assesment day is this wednesday, and I'm going back to Liverpool tomorrow, then I'll take my old but distinguish Bimma to luton this tuesday then spend one night and the next day interview.
YES it's costing me quite a lot to go there !!!
But no other options !!!
Still haven't heard from Bmi Baby so...
As far as the money goes it's getting pretty tough...
So long my friend...
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N.
Lala is doing good she just got a CDI with her company so all is well, she's waiting for YOU !!!
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Nico,
I was supposed to spend the week in Marseille but didnt go as I couldnt enjoy my time there without knowing about netjets first.
Im sure ill get down there sometime later maybe may when tourists arent too many there yet and the sea warm enough..maybe the marseillois will finally learn how to speak english with new flights from gatwick..can only be good for the city..
I havent sent a new application form to britatruc since i had already done so 2 months ago..14 pages to fill plus pics just to write the same thing didnt make sense..
Is there a chat room we could speak more without having to bother other ppruners with our life?
M.85
I was supposed to spend the week in Marseille but didnt go as I couldnt enjoy my time there without knowing about netjets first.
Im sure ill get down there sometime later maybe may when tourists arent too many there yet and the sea warm enough..maybe the marseillois will finally learn how to speak english with new flights from gatwick..can only be good for the city..
I havent sent a new application form to britatruc since i had already done so 2 months ago..14 pages to fill plus pics just to write the same thing didnt make sense..
Is there a chat room we could speak more without having to bother other ppruners with our life?
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With all due respect as to why YOU were called for an interview, it is because you can be easily trained into the NJE culture being a low time pilot, hungry and eager to do the job.......very experienced pilots are for the most part considered persona non-grata mainly because they won't put up with any commercial or scheduling pressures....high time pilots do not fit into the 'culture'....things they don't tell you in the interview, while the DFO avoids eye contact.....
1. When does your duty day start? Hypothetical scenario: your gateway is LHR, you live 1 hour away and your positioning flight departs at 08:00. You will be starting your tour in NCE, remembering that your show time is 90 min. before your departure as an operating crew member........according to the Portuguese Authority you can operate up to a 12hr. duty day if you complete 4 landings.......I will venture a wild guess to say you'll be most probably setting your alarm at 05:00.....and at best, with a 08:00 departure and a slot time of 08:20 you'll be in GVA on the gate by say 10:15.....now you'll have to make your way to the FBO thet will take :45 min and then if everything is running smoothly you'll be all set for your 11:00 showtime and a 12:30 departure........now would you hazard a guess as to how long a day you will have and how long will YOU operate commander, in the interest of safety???.........while on the subject of safety.....
2. Will you enter a defect in the tech log commander, effectively grounding the aircraft ( in the interest of safety) Before or After you receive approval from your fleet manager sitting in a restaurant in Estoril ........as if the B or A will make any difference to the obvious technical defect?? Are you the commander or not?
3. Do you get a glimpse of the contract at the interview, especially the part about the 'termination clause'
4. Don't forget that if you don't get the Falcon you WILL vacuum the A/C and you WILL clean the LOO.......
Just a little food for thought.......... take the rose coloured glasses off ........ if the a/c doesn't have an after-burner on the back it's just another job!!!!
1. When does your duty day start? Hypothetical scenario: your gateway is LHR, you live 1 hour away and your positioning flight departs at 08:00. You will be starting your tour in NCE, remembering that your show time is 90 min. before your departure as an operating crew member........according to the Portuguese Authority you can operate up to a 12hr. duty day if you complete 4 landings.......I will venture a wild guess to say you'll be most probably setting your alarm at 05:00.....and at best, with a 08:00 departure and a slot time of 08:20 you'll be in GVA on the gate by say 10:15.....now you'll have to make your way to the FBO thet will take :45 min and then if everything is running smoothly you'll be all set for your 11:00 showtime and a 12:30 departure........now would you hazard a guess as to how long a day you will have and how long will YOU operate commander, in the interest of safety???.........while on the subject of safety.....
2. Will you enter a defect in the tech log commander, effectively grounding the aircraft ( in the interest of safety) Before or After you receive approval from your fleet manager sitting in a restaurant in Estoril ........as if the B or A will make any difference to the obvious technical defect?? Are you the commander or not?
3. Do you get a glimpse of the contract at the interview, especially the part about the 'termination clause'
4. Don't forget that if you don't get the Falcon you WILL vacuum the A/C and you WILL clean the LOO.......
Just a little food for thought.......... take the rose coloured glasses off ........ if the a/c doesn't have an after-burner on the back it's just another job!!!!
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Greetings,
Jammers, a job is a job, there are pros and cons about any airline...
And who is a low time pilot?
Hey Mach.85,
It's too bad you didn't come to LFML this WE, anyway I'm heading back to LPL tomorrow.
I don't know where we can chat, you could go to:
www.aeronet-fr.org puis vers forums and chat.
But unfortunately I don't have a computer up there so...
I know the application form from britatruc is quite long!!!
Try again with some others like baby, globespan etc...
Hopefully you will soon be invited for a sim ride with NetJ !
A+
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Jammers, a job is a job, there are pros and cons about any airline...
And who is a low time pilot?
Hey Mach.85,
It's too bad you didn't come to LFML this WE, anyway I'm heading back to LPL tomorrow.
I don't know where we can chat, you could go to:
www.aeronet-fr.org puis vers forums and chat.
But unfortunately I don't have a computer up there so...
I know the application form from britatruc is quite long!!!
Try again with some others like baby, globespan etc...
Hopefully you will soon be invited for a sim ride with NetJ !
A+
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Quick question: what is Britatruc? Is that BritAir or is it Britannia?
Jammers,
I would rather clean a new Bravo/Excel after flying to exotic destinations than fly the same old route structure day after day. There are plusses and minusses to every aviation job. Sure, cleaning the loo would not be so pleasant, but flying to different destinations everyday in advanced aeroplanes and staying in nice hotels would help to dull the pain. It would be a small price to pay for being able to live all over Europe (near an airport) vs. near one key hub. You highlight a few of the negatives (I know plenty Easyjet pilots who are exhausted after their rotations - being tired is nothing new in this business) and none of the positives...
It is clear you are very jaded and in need of a career change. Quit whinging and get out while you can!
Jammers,
I would rather clean a new Bravo/Excel after flying to exotic destinations than fly the same old route structure day after day. There are plusses and minusses to every aviation job. Sure, cleaning the loo would not be so pleasant, but flying to different destinations everyday in advanced aeroplanes and staying in nice hotels would help to dull the pain. It would be a small price to pay for being able to live all over Europe (near an airport) vs. near one key hub. You highlight a few of the negatives (I know plenty Easyjet pilots who are exhausted after their rotations - being tired is nothing new in this business) and none of the positives...
It is clear you are very jaded and in need of a career change. Quit whinging and get out while you can!
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Dear JAMMERS,
I see and respect your point of view.
However not to sound against all ROYAL WAY to become a pilot(ie ENAC school,Integrated,armay),I must tell you that some pilots are eager to work and are willing to make sacrifices in life.
My experience has a freight pilot for a small company didnt only include the flying part.
I have fueled,loaded and yes cleaned the A/Cs!before my flight(metros and 1900s) and sometimes helping the Mechanics to do some of their jobs which one wouldnt need a Mech degree to do(vacuming,painting props,flight test after an engine replacement...)
I have been flying and living in places like FARGO(North Dakota),Sioux Falls(SD),LAke Charles louisina where temp in one could get as low as -40C and in other +40 with lots of MOSTIQUOS...
Been cold out of sioux falls when i could barely drive to the airport due to high winds and blowing snow,having to wait in A/C more than an hour because ups wanted me there,after havimg driven the fuel truck(mech werent there at 3 am..)and fueled the plane myself..and given 5 min to T/O by the airport manager before they had to close the airport..flew with snowboard gloves as my fingers were sticking to the thrust lever!
on the hot side,Wichita had its load of daily thunderstorms,hail,freezing rain...
Oh yes sometimes i wished to be back in europe and not having to fly in such conditions but you earn your way and chance to stay as an expat.
How many times i had to fly with bad engines,overweight,overtime..had to use owner signature..
But yes sometimes i had to say no..because i couldnt if a problem ie engine failure i wouldnt be able to land due to fogged up state and around states...landed in undefinite ceilings,1800rvr..and no autopilot.
The Radar wa a plus but when the company tells you they fixed it for you and in flight when it gets darker you turn it on and **** nothing...you get pissed off and get help from the controllers the best you can..
Yes life wasnt always pink either when i slept in evrynight in an fbo lounge in a sleeping bag to be woken up with a ****ty wx..
I dont regret i have done it because i proved that i could do it and gave the company which allowed me to move up in my career what they expected from me.
And nothing compares to a flight with beautiful weather on a sat morning going back home for the week end..thats if theydont call you when u land to take ac back to base for inspection..
And this without a f/o to help as it was single pilot.Oh yes i brought friends along for an extra pair of eyes in low viz and someone to talk to...
So you see,cleaning an ac is not big deal and serving coffee either..
Safe flying,
M.85
I see and respect your point of view.
However not to sound against all ROYAL WAY to become a pilot(ie ENAC school,Integrated,armay),I must tell you that some pilots are eager to work and are willing to make sacrifices in life.
My experience has a freight pilot for a small company didnt only include the flying part.
I have fueled,loaded and yes cleaned the A/Cs!before my flight(metros and 1900s) and sometimes helping the Mechanics to do some of their jobs which one wouldnt need a Mech degree to do(vacuming,painting props,flight test after an engine replacement...)
I have been flying and living in places like FARGO(North Dakota),Sioux Falls(SD),LAke Charles louisina where temp in one could get as low as -40C and in other +40 with lots of MOSTIQUOS...
Been cold out of sioux falls when i could barely drive to the airport due to high winds and blowing snow,having to wait in A/C more than an hour because ups wanted me there,after havimg driven the fuel truck(mech werent there at 3 am..)and fueled the plane myself..and given 5 min to T/O by the airport manager before they had to close the airport..flew with snowboard gloves as my fingers were sticking to the thrust lever!
on the hot side,Wichita had its load of daily thunderstorms,hail,freezing rain...
Oh yes sometimes i wished to be back in europe and not having to fly in such conditions but you earn your way and chance to stay as an expat.
How many times i had to fly with bad engines,overweight,overtime..had to use owner signature..
But yes sometimes i had to say no..because i couldnt if a problem ie engine failure i wouldnt be able to land due to fogged up state and around states...landed in undefinite ceilings,1800rvr..and no autopilot.
The Radar wa a plus but when the company tells you they fixed it for you and in flight when it gets darker you turn it on and **** nothing...you get pissed off and get help from the controllers the best you can..
Yes life wasnt always pink either when i slept in evrynight in an fbo lounge in a sleeping bag to be woken up with a ****ty wx..
I dont regret i have done it because i proved that i could do it and gave the company which allowed me to move up in my career what they expected from me.
And nothing compares to a flight with beautiful weather on a sat morning going back home for the week end..thats if theydont call you when u land to take ac back to base for inspection..
And this without a f/o to help as it was single pilot.Oh yes i brought friends along for an extra pair of eyes in low viz and someone to talk to...
So you see,cleaning an ac is not big deal and serving coffee either..
Safe flying,
M.85
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Just got an email from Netjets DO.
"Thank you for taking the time to come and meet us last week in Gatwick.It was a pleasure to meet you.As briefed.we will let you know as soon as possible how we intend to proceed.We will work as expeditiously on this as possible.Thank you for your interest in NetJets"
If this is not stress inducing i dont know what is...i am about to turn MAD...
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"Thank you for taking the time to come and meet us last week in Gatwick.It was a pleasure to meet you.As briefed.we will let you know as soon as possible how we intend to proceed.We will work as expeditiously on this as possible.Thank you for your interest in NetJets"
If this is not stress inducing i dont know what is...i am about to turn MAD...
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Good luck M.85
I grew up a hour and a half form Sioux Falls. Thank God you made it out alive!
What was the company you were working for?
I grew up a hour and a half form Sioux Falls. Thank God you made it out alive!
What was the company you were working for?
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Jammers your remarks about low time pilots just don’t tally with the facts. Most NetJets guys n girls have either done a lot of GA or military flying or several years with a good european airline. Haven’t met anyone matching the description ‘low time pilot, hungry and eager to do the job’ – just a load of people that seem very happy with their lot.
I was dreading an airline job after leaving the mob. At least in NJE I can still interact with the people I fly and the big improvement is that I can take some pride in the quality of the service I provide for them.
....and another thing - what's all this afterburner nonsense
I was dreading an airline job after leaving the mob. At least in NJE I can still interact with the people I fly and the big improvement is that I can take some pride in the quality of the service I provide for them.
....and another thing - what's all this afterburner nonsense