737 TR guys drying up?
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Plenty enough!!
The "drying-up of 73rated guys/girls"-myth has been around for a long time!
Probably inflated by all them TRTO's who's dying to take lowtimers money, whilst they fill them up with a lot of garbage on how they're going to get a job a.s.a.p when they're done with the type.
The "drying-up of 73rated guys/girls"-myth has been around for a long time!
Probably inflated by all them TRTO's who's dying to take lowtimers money, whilst they fill them up with a lot of garbage on how they're going to get a job a.s.a.p when they're done with the type.
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You say plenty. Where do you get your info and why are they not employed on a b737.
It would be nice if people with a 737 tr would tell their story if they have the time. Then we can get a little further than the rumour stage and those TRTO guys would not get that many customers.
Grtz Devilbis
You say plenty. Where do you get your info and why are they not employed on a b737.
It would be nice if people with a 737 tr would tell their story if they have the time. Then we can get a little further than the rumour stage and those TRTO guys would not get that many customers.
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Devilbis,
I said "plenty enough",....not quite the same thing as "plenty"! ......right?!
As a matter of fact, I happen to know a couple of boys with a pretty fresh 73-type who hasn't gotten a job, as of yet.
A couple of them are regular posters here at Pprune. However, I get the feeling that they don't really like the idea of sharing their experience. Especially since they put themselves in a rather tight spot, economically, that is. I believe they just feel "plain stupid" about going along with the TR!!
I do feel sorry for them.
Why haven't they been offered a job? Maybe because airlines have been making 73-drivers redundant left and right,....and them boys have the hours on type needed!! Or maybe it's just because they're not "airline-material"?! I honestly don't know and I won't speculate to deep either.
Cheers,
An2
I said "plenty enough",....not quite the same thing as "plenty"! ......right?!
As a matter of fact, I happen to know a couple of boys with a pretty fresh 73-type who hasn't gotten a job, as of yet.
A couple of them are regular posters here at Pprune. However, I get the feeling that they don't really like the idea of sharing their experience. Especially since they put themselves in a rather tight spot, economically, that is. I believe they just feel "plain stupid" about going along with the TR!!
I do feel sorry for them.
Why haven't they been offered a job? Maybe because airlines have been making 73-drivers redundant left and right,....and them boys have the hours on type needed!! Or maybe it's just because they're not "airline-material"?! I honestly don't know and I won't speculate to deep either.
Cheers,
An2
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As a Crew Scheduling Manager all be it not for a B737 operator we receive many applications from guys with a mere type rating.
My DFO wouldn't touch them, he insists they have some line flying experience, not necessarily the 500 hours that many ask for nor indeed 100 hours, just some basic line flying experience.
My DFO wouldn't touch them, he insists they have some line flying experience, not necessarily the 500 hours that many ask for nor indeed 100 hours, just some basic line flying experience.
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I just got taken on by an operator for a 737 operation (not self-sponsored). Was told at interview that there's not many 737 rated guys out there at the moment. Don't know whether that meant not typed or not experienced or both.
However, have heard that Ryan Air are not taking on new guys until next year and those recently brought on for the 200 are having to be swapped over to the 800 due to the problems discovered on the 200. Haven't heard of anyone getting into Ryan Air with basic self-sponsored TR that's not from one of their approved TRTOs but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Knowing someone at Ryan Air is a big help.
I know of a few guys who did self-sponsored TRs (Bond) who made it into eJ - but they did get lucky with the timing - it's not an established route. How many more 737 guys will they need now the A319s are arriving....?
Bottom line - it's a gamble. I'd say go for it if you have plenty of cash - but I wouldn't borrow the money to do it - too risky... I'd also do it around March to try and catch the charter opportunities...
However, have heard that Ryan Air are not taking on new guys until next year and those recently brought on for the 200 are having to be swapped over to the 800 due to the problems discovered on the 200. Haven't heard of anyone getting into Ryan Air with basic self-sponsored TR that's not from one of their approved TRTOs but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Knowing someone at Ryan Air is a big help.
I know of a few guys who did self-sponsored TRs (Bond) who made it into eJ - but they did get lucky with the timing - it's not an established route. How many more 737 guys will they need now the A319s are arriving....?
Bottom line - it's a gamble. I'd say go for it if you have plenty of cash - but I wouldn't borrow the money to do it - too risky... I'd also do it around March to try and catch the charter opportunities...
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Back to topic...
..what I've been told, is that many companies have a large hold pool of 73 jockeys...
Sterling (scandinavia) for instance, have about 130 of 'em.
Maybe a TR on an airbus 319/20 is a better option?
..what I've been told, is that many companies have a large hold pool of 73 jockeys...
Sterling (scandinavia) for instance, have about 130 of 'em.
Maybe a TR on an airbus 319/20 is a better option?
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I was considering the A320 option via astraeus but they don't offer the 100hrs line training.
A320 seems like a good option with regard to easy jet and a few others leaning toward a more airbus orientated fleet.
A320 seems like a good option with regard to easy jet and a few others leaning toward a more airbus orientated fleet.
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The biggest risk to a person who self sponsors a type rating with no guarantee of a job afterwards is the lack of recency.
A type rating is just the beginning. If you don't keep current on it then the skills you acquired rapidly fade away, esp if you are not flying any thing. If you don't have experience to fall back on then getting back up to speed in a hurry can be quite difficult.
No one is providing you with a job if you do a rating. You have to get that yourself.
easyJet won't take low houred on type self sponsored people without running them through their own TRSS. I dare say they will still need a few 737 folk as the A319 is being introduced to the fleet. With Mytravel not being the strongest there's still a lot of jet qualified and current pilots out there.
So, before shelling out the cash. Do your own research, don't just read what people are posting on these forums.
Ask yourself, how am I going to keep current if I don't get a job?
(Note, you are no longer "current" after 3 months)
Tootling around VFR in a cherokee is fun but not that good for your scan.
What does this type rating provider actually provide? Just the rating? Line training? Who are they teamed up with?
Study the market carefully.
Is there a risk that if my potential (eg turboprop) employer finds out I have a jet rating that I may well lose that opportunity because they fear (rightly or wrongly) you'll be off to a jet operator in a short time?
In some cases, you could well be better off using the money to help finance yourself looking for work in (eg) Africa where you'll get some great experience and move on quickly to better equipment.
Sometimes you have to think outside the loop. Life's an adventure, enjoy the trip.
As has been said, it's a gamble. Play with only what you can afford to lose.
You don't buy a house or a car without doing a lot of checking, apply the same to a rating or even the licence itself.
Caveat Emptor.
A type rating is just the beginning. If you don't keep current on it then the skills you acquired rapidly fade away, esp if you are not flying any thing. If you don't have experience to fall back on then getting back up to speed in a hurry can be quite difficult.
No one is providing you with a job if you do a rating. You have to get that yourself.
easyJet won't take low houred on type self sponsored people without running them through their own TRSS. I dare say they will still need a few 737 folk as the A319 is being introduced to the fleet. With Mytravel not being the strongest there's still a lot of jet qualified and current pilots out there.
So, before shelling out the cash. Do your own research, don't just read what people are posting on these forums.
Ask yourself, how am I going to keep current if I don't get a job?
(Note, you are no longer "current" after 3 months)
Tootling around VFR in a cherokee is fun but not that good for your scan.
What does this type rating provider actually provide? Just the rating? Line training? Who are they teamed up with?
Study the market carefully.
Is there a risk that if my potential (eg turboprop) employer finds out I have a jet rating that I may well lose that opportunity because they fear (rightly or wrongly) you'll be off to a jet operator in a short time?
In some cases, you could well be better off using the money to help finance yourself looking for work in (eg) Africa where you'll get some great experience and move on quickly to better equipment.
Sometimes you have to think outside the loop. Life's an adventure, enjoy the trip.
As has been said, it's a gamble. Play with only what you can afford to lose.
You don't buy a house or a car without doing a lot of checking, apply the same to a rating or even the licence itself.
Caveat Emptor.
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Redsnail,
Why would they no longer be current after 3 months?
My airline, as per the industry standard, accepts guys (or gals) as current if it is less than 12 months since their most recent LPC!
Why would they no longer be current after 3 months?
My airline, as per the industry standard, accepts guys (or gals) as current if it is less than 12 months since their most recent LPC!
PPRuNe Handmaiden
The "3 landings/take offs on type" in 90 days thing*. ie "recency"
Opsman, I know what you're saying but some people will view the endorsed pilot with no other flying since the rating as now out of recency. This isn't as applicable for someone who's let's say, flying around in a turboprop and buys an eg 737 rating. They are still flying in 2 crew/IFR environment. However, the low houred person who's bought a rating and isn't flying at all will rapidly go out of "recency" and while they may be technically "current" they will have forgotten a lot in 3 months and will take time and money to get them back up to speed.
It's just something else to consider before handing over a large amount of cash.
*for a captain. For an FO it's 1 take off/landing in 90 days.
Opsman, I know what you're saying but some people will view the endorsed pilot with no other flying since the rating as now out of recency. This isn't as applicable for someone who's let's say, flying around in a turboprop and buys an eg 737 rating. They are still flying in 2 crew/IFR environment. However, the low houred person who's bought a rating and isn't flying at all will rapidly go out of "recency" and while they may be technically "current" they will have forgotten a lot in 3 months and will take time and money to get them back up to speed.
It's just something else to consider before handing over a large amount of cash.
*for a captain. For an FO it's 1 take off/landing in 90 days.
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I actually didnt post to bring on the type rating fors & nots, I think we have seen plenty of that & I can't afford a rating at the moment anyway,(especially as winter is looming) so thats sorted that for me.
After posting originally I thought there won't be many responses, so maybe a recruitment manager can shed some light?
After posting originally I thought there won't be many responses, so maybe a recruitment manager can shed some light?
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Redsnail,
Yes, you are quite correct about the 3 landings in 90 but please remember that is a UK rule! Do the UK still have a rule that for a captain it is 1 in 28?
On the continent, where I have been working, things are different and as a general 'rule of thumb' within the past 12 months is good enough.
Yes, you are quite correct about the 3 landings in 90 but please remember that is a UK rule! Do the UK still have a rule that for a captain it is 1 in 28?
On the continent, where I have been working, things are different and as a general 'rule of thumb' within the past 12 months is good enough.
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There must be one of those hundreds of available 73 jockeys in a pool or not that reads this post and is willing to reply.
Or is it all a rumour?
Maybe they're swimming in the pool.
Grtz. Devilbis
Or is it all a rumour?
Maybe they're swimming in the pool.
Grtz. Devilbis
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Opsman,
I got the info from our ops manual which is supposed to be JAR compliant. It seems to be a UK thing, the 1 in 28 has gone from our ops manual.
Any way, it's neither here nor there. Someone who hasn't flown a type in 3 months or 12 months isn't going to be up to speed. If they haven't got much flying experience or much time on type, then they will be working very hard to get back up there.
While it does cost money to keep an IR in reasonable shape, to keep a type rating "fresh" would be much harder.
That's the point I am trying to make.
I got the info from our ops manual which is supposed to be JAR compliant. It seems to be a UK thing, the 1 in 28 has gone from our ops manual.
Any way, it's neither here nor there. Someone who hasn't flown a type in 3 months or 12 months isn't going to be up to speed. If they haven't got much flying experience or much time on type, then they will be working very hard to get back up there.
While it does cost money to keep an IR in reasonable shape, to keep a type rating "fresh" would be much harder.
That's the point I am trying to make.
