Bond Or Global Aviation Training?
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Bond Or Global Aviation Training?
Hello everyone,
I will be doing a 737 rating soon, my only problem is who to do it with. I was all set to go with Bond but then I heard of a company called Global Aviation Training. The prices for the basic type ratings are the same price, £19000 inc VAT. The thing that has attracted me most about Global Aviation is the line training, £100 per sector (min of 12 sectors). That sounds very reasonable when you compare it to Bonds £10,000 inc VAT, ok you acquire more hours with Bond, but does that really matter, as long as you have some time on type. On the other hand I have one good friend who has carried out his training with Bond and he is now flying a 737. I really don’t know which training organisation to go with. Has anyone had any dealings with Global Aviation?
I will be doing a 737 rating soon, my only problem is who to do it with. I was all set to go with Bond but then I heard of a company called Global Aviation Training. The prices for the basic type ratings are the same price, £19000 inc VAT. The thing that has attracted me most about Global Aviation is the line training, £100 per sector (min of 12 sectors). That sounds very reasonable when you compare it to Bonds £10,000 inc VAT, ok you acquire more hours with Bond, but does that really matter, as long as you have some time on type. On the other hand I have one good friend who has carried out his training with Bond and he is now flying a 737. I really don’t know which training organisation to go with. Has anyone had any dealings with Global Aviation?
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I'm in a very similar position to yourself, just faxe the apllication off to Global, would like to hear views on this subject myself, as I'm looking to do the rating in the new year.
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The thing that has attracted me most about Global Aviation is the line training, £100 per sector (min of 12 sectors). That sounds very reasonable when you compare it to Bonds £10,000 inc VAT...
I´ve sent a request for information to the Global Aviation Services but I have heard nothing yet...
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I posted this in another place. It's text of an email received.
raspberry - a little forensic examination of the Global Whatever It Is website would reveal that it is a collaboration between Bond & Storm Aviation.
The Global Programme
All applicants that meet the minimum entrance requirements will be invited to attend an assessment day. The assessment will be thorough and include psychometric and personality testing, a technical exam and most importantly, a flying evaluation in a full flight jet simulator.
The psychometric tests comprise a numerical and abstract test which generally measure mental agility and spatial awareness. The personality evaluation assesses candidates suitability to the airline environment, behaviour under stress and teamwork.
Finally, the full flight simulator assessment will be conducted on a Boeing 727 or A300 simulator. Prior to the flight exercise there will be a full briefing from an experienced instructor. The briefing will include all the information needed to operate the aircraft and fly the required profile. The flight will not be a check of a candidates ability to operate the aircraft type, but an evaluation of general handling skills, procedural knowledge, spatial awareness and the ability to assimilate new information and respond to instruction.
The assessment day will require a payment of £850 as a contribution to the facilities, the instructors and the simulator. However, successful candidates will receive a full credit toward the next phase of training, the jet type rating.
Candidates that successfully complete the selection procedure will be further evaluated for the amount of training required and the contract employer most suited to the personality of the individual.
Inexperienced candidates will receive enhanced jet type rating training. Their programme will comprise an integrated jet orientation course, including MCC, a full type rating and initial line training. Candidates with relevant experience will receive abbreviated training commensurate with that experience, the most experienced pilots receiving only the minimum JAR approved training.
The type rating will be charged at a minimum of £12,500 for the most experienced pilots to a maximum of £15,500 for those requiring the full enhanced training course. Following successful completion of a type rating, candidates will undergo aircraft base training (circuits and landings in the aircraft without passengers), safety and emergency procedure training (SEP), CRM instruction, wet drills and type specific doors and slides training; this part of the programme costs £3,500. For an additional £1,500 pilots will receive a rating on all series B737, including NG. To enhance employment prospects this additional rating is highly recommended.
The final phase will be initial line training, a minimum of 12 sectors at a cost of £100 per sector with a partner airline before being made available to one of Storm Aviations customer airlines.
A salary will be paid when the pilot is fully trained and placed under contract with an airline.
As the programme is designed to place the pilot with an employing airline finance is available, subject to status, from a Global approved financial institution. Following successful assessment, candidates requiring financial assistance will be introduced to one of our participating banks. In the case of UK nationals, this will be Barclays Premier Banking.
All applicants that meet the minimum entrance requirements will be invited to attend an assessment day. The assessment will be thorough and include psychometric and personality testing, a technical exam and most importantly, a flying evaluation in a full flight jet simulator.
The psychometric tests comprise a numerical and abstract test which generally measure mental agility and spatial awareness. The personality evaluation assesses candidates suitability to the airline environment, behaviour under stress and teamwork.
Finally, the full flight simulator assessment will be conducted on a Boeing 727 or A300 simulator. Prior to the flight exercise there will be a full briefing from an experienced instructor. The briefing will include all the information needed to operate the aircraft and fly the required profile. The flight will not be a check of a candidates ability to operate the aircraft type, but an evaluation of general handling skills, procedural knowledge, spatial awareness and the ability to assimilate new information and respond to instruction.
The assessment day will require a payment of £850 as a contribution to the facilities, the instructors and the simulator. However, successful candidates will receive a full credit toward the next phase of training, the jet type rating.
Candidates that successfully complete the selection procedure will be further evaluated for the amount of training required and the contract employer most suited to the personality of the individual.
Inexperienced candidates will receive enhanced jet type rating training. Their programme will comprise an integrated jet orientation course, including MCC, a full type rating and initial line training. Candidates with relevant experience will receive abbreviated training commensurate with that experience, the most experienced pilots receiving only the minimum JAR approved training.
The type rating will be charged at a minimum of £12,500 for the most experienced pilots to a maximum of £15,500 for those requiring the full enhanced training course. Following successful completion of a type rating, candidates will undergo aircraft base training (circuits and landings in the aircraft without passengers), safety and emergency procedure training (SEP), CRM instruction, wet drills and type specific doors and slides training; this part of the programme costs £3,500. For an additional £1,500 pilots will receive a rating on all series B737, including NG. To enhance employment prospects this additional rating is highly recommended.
The final phase will be initial line training, a minimum of 12 sectors at a cost of £100 per sector with a partner airline before being made available to one of Storm Aviations customer airlines.
A salary will be paid when the pilot is fully trained and placed under contract with an airline.
As the programme is designed to place the pilot with an employing airline finance is available, subject to status, from a Global approved financial institution. Following successful assessment, candidates requiring financial assistance will be introduced to one of our participating banks. In the case of UK nationals, this will be Barclays Premier Banking.
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£850,- for a selection? 
£19.000,- (sorry, £19.000 - £850= £18.150
) for a type rating?
and then the employee has to pay £100,- per sector for line intro?
What happens after this line intro? Do you get a job? Wait, let me quote what their website says:
Here is some more garbage from their site:
What´s next? The airline´s personnel department gets a free coffee maker for every ´purchased´ pilot?
They can use these F/O´s for free on revenue producing flights (oops sorry, they actually make £100,- per sector!) and they can then DUMP them after he/she has spent £18.150,- for a type and £850,- for a "selection."
I guess the "selection" only has a validity for 12 sectors line intro @ £100,- per sector...!!
I am totally shocked and disgusted that these kind of practices go on in ´civilized´ Europe!
£19.000,- (sorry, £19.000 - £850= £18.150
) for a type rating? and then the employee has to pay £100,- per sector for line intro?
What happens after this line intro? Do you get a job? Wait, let me quote what their website says:
The very real prospect of either a fixed term contract or a permanent position with one of our airline customers.
Here is some more garbage from their site:
So confident are we in the quality of our pilots, we offer a free replacement in the event that any one of our pilots fails to meet the operating standards of our airline customers.
They can use these F/O´s for free on revenue producing flights (oops sorry, they actually make £100,- per sector!) and they can then DUMP them after he/she has spent £18.150,- for a type and £850,- for a "selection."
I guess the "selection" only has a validity for 12 sectors line intro @ £100,- per sector...!!
I am totally shocked and disgusted that these kind of practices go on in ´civilized´ Europe!
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Robert:
I totally agree with you...
Rasberry:
If you are ready to buy a type rating...try to see with Easy Jet scheme or any other airline scheme which when you get in(you still need to go through a selection with the school)you will most probably get a job with their paired airline..
Please dont go to these TRTO, just a very few make it..its not worth it believe me....and if you still decide to pay your type get an Airbus one!!!..most of tghe Airline buy them now..
All the best.
Flyer75
I totally agree with you...
Rasberry:
If you are ready to buy a type rating...try to see with Easy Jet scheme or any other airline scheme which when you get in(you still need to go through a selection with the school)you will most probably get a job with their paired airline..
Please dont go to these TRTO, just a very few make it..its not worth it believe me....and if you still decide to pay your type get an Airbus one!!!..most of tghe Airline buy them now..
All the best.
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Hello Gin Slinger,
I am well aware that Bond and Global Collaborate with one another when it comes to line training, never the less they are two separate training organisations.
If anyone has had experience with either of these companies I would be grateful for any feedback.
Flyer 75
Thanks for the advice, I have tried my luck with the likes of Ryanair and Easy Jet, I can’t get a look in with either of them.
I am well aware that Bond and Global Collaborate with one another when it comes to line training, never the less they are two separate training organisations.
If anyone has had experience with either of these companies I would be grateful for any feedback.
Flyer 75
Thanks for the advice, I have tried my luck with the likes of Ryanair and Easy Jet, I can’t get a look in with either of them.
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Thank you Robert Vesco, more people need to open their eyes and stop throwing money at the dealer. Better you take a trip to the races with your £20000 Mr Raspberry. I, as a married man with a good wife can only wonder what a life without nookie must be like, on the other hand, if one was desperate and in dire need I suppose that is where paying for it starts making sense. (do you see the similae) No it doesn't, just try again in the usual fashion and eventualy you will triumph. "persistance conquors resistance". I am a 250 hour wannabee and will remain one until my luck changes. P.S. I'm sure Barclays Premier .anking would love to help!!!!! For the time being good luck to everyone in the same boat, one of the these days.
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The disgusting thing is how Global in their web-intro try to convince the desperate that it is becoming an industry standard to pay for your type rating.
I personally think and feel there is a growing group of people that realize the extent of desperation in the market and are trying to capitalize on it.
I would be interested to know who are Storm and Bond’s client airlines.
I personally think and feel there is a growing group of people that realize the extent of desperation in the market and are trying to capitalize on it.
I would be interested to know who are Storm and Bond’s client airlines.
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Concordino, I should imagie that they are typical opportunistic slave drivers who can not believe their luck, poeple who they don't have to pay, indeed who pay to work..... these airlines should be ashamed of themselves, it is easy to kid yourself into thinking that by taking advantage of self funders they are some how doing a justice, I suppose the same could be said for selling arms to third world countries!!!! we are the only people who can make a stand.
