Thank you Robert Vesco, more people need to open their eyes and stop throwing money at the dealer. Better you take a trip to the races with your £20000 Mr Raspberry. I, as a married man with a good wife can only wonder what a life without nookie must be like, on the other hand, if one was desperate and in dire need I suppose that is where paying for it starts making sense. (do you see the similae) No it doesn't, just try again in the usual fashion and eventualy you will triumph. "persistance conquors resistance". I am a 250 hour wannabee and will remain one until my luck changes. P.S. I'm sure Barclays Premier .anking would love to help!!!!! For the time being good luck to everyone in the same boat, one of the these days.