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I don't think DHL will be recuiting any low timers for quite a while. They have limitations on the number of inexperienced crew they have across their pilot work force. Having just taken on board a very recent number of low-timers, it will be a while yet before these guys have accumulated enough experience before DHL can take anymore on.
There will probably be more info from the BALPA Employment Conference about DHLs specific requirements over the nxt 12 months, but pretty much bet money that it doesn't include low-timers (Not that i want to squeeze myself out the market place of course).
I'd also hazard a guess that the HR dept already has a holding pool to cover any unexpected retirements.
I don't think DHL will be recuiting any low timers for quite a while. They have limitations on the number of inexperienced crew they have across their pilot work force. Having just taken on board a very recent number of low-timers, it will be a while yet before these guys have accumulated enough experience before DHL can take anymore on.
There will probably be more info from the BALPA Employment Conference about DHLs specific requirements over the nxt 12 months, but pretty much bet money that it doesn't include low-timers (Not that i want to squeeze myself out the market place of course).
I'd also hazard a guess that the HR dept already has a holding pool to cover any unexpected retirements.
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Hi,
I have a question regarding the inexperienced crew. Is it a declared percentage of the work force? If so, then what if they take on some more experienced guys? Also, I'm small and light so I only count for half a per-cent so can't they put me in there too
lol. J/K - I need the ATPL first 
So is it dependent on the amount of crew all together or fleet size/type of fleet etc?
DHL lease pilot's from Air Contractors I think? About 70? Should some of the air contractors retire or move on, do you think DHL would ask for more pilots from Air Contractors or do you think they might aswell recruit there own?
bahhh, I dunno!
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I have a question regarding the inexperienced crew. Is it a declared percentage of the work force? If so, then what if they take on some more experienced guys? Also, I'm small and light so I only count for half a per-cent so can't they put me in there too
lol. J/K - I need the ATPL first So is it dependent on the amount of crew all together or fleet size/type of fleet etc?
DHL lease pilot's from Air Contractors I think? About 70? Should some of the air contractors retire or move on, do you think DHL would ask for more pilots from Air Contractors or do you think they might aswell recruit there own?
bahhh, I dunno!
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Does anyone know what DHL regard as low hours. 500 obviously is, 2500 isn't. What about 1000?
No guesses as to how many I've got!
As a follow up when do you generally stop being "low hours"?
No guesses as to how many I've got!
As a follow up when do you generally stop being "low hours"?
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Hi,
I here they take on 250hrs people, but rumour has it a guy who wasn't a stranger to DHL (I believe worked hard in operations) stepped in with around 220hrs?
I don't know when low hours stops, I like to think it's around 500hrs?
I here they take on 250hrs people, but rumour has it a guy who wasn't a stranger to DHL (I believe worked hard in operations) stepped in with around 220hrs?
I don't know when low hours stops, I like to think it's around 500hrs?
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I would say that generally someone is considered 'low hours' in the UK when they don't have anything bigger than a piston twin on their licence, even if they have 1000hrs TT. I know of people in DHL who had less than 750hrs TT when they got the job (prior to the real low hours recruitment which occured a few months back, but these guys had 757 ratings, so you can see that 'low hours' does not necessarily mean how many (or few) hours you actually have..........!
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It depends on the airline I think. If you have 3000 hours, all on a big jet in Virgin..... but you need 6000 + hours for promotion, then I think you may be classed as low hours......
If not though, I would suggest 1000 + hours on a jet and a full unfrozen ATPL.
If not though, I would suggest 1000 + hours on a jet and a full unfrozen ATPL.
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and what about when your arse is in between two chairs??
too many hours for some and not enough for the others?
Maybe I should have erased my 737 type,cut 2000 out of my ATPL and multi turbine experience when I applied to Seneca operators..
As I got no response ....
Flyer75
too many hours for some and not enough for the others?
Maybe I should have erased my 737 type,cut 2000 out of my ATPL and multi turbine experience when I applied to Seneca operators..
As I got no response ....
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Did you pay for your own rating on the 737? If you did, and you got no job then you are one of the statistics that many of us talk about on PPRUNE.
If you have airline experience on the 737 and are not getting jobs, then you may need to look at your CV. PILOT PETE may help there.....
The dangers of paying for ratings are apparent if your story is true. All wannabees should take noter..........
Hopefully you will have some suitable employment soon.
Good luck.
Did you pay for your own rating on the 737? If you did, and you got no job then you are one of the statistics that many of us talk about on PPRUNE.
If you have airline experience on the 737 and are not getting jobs, then you may need to look at your CV. PILOT PETE may help there.....
The dangers of paying for ratings are apparent if your story is true. All wannabees should take noter..........
Hopefully you will have some suitable employment soon.
Good luck.
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Tailscraper,
i would gladely change my CV but its been already sent to over 270 Airlines...Kind of expensive on stamps...
How could Pete help?Who is he?
KRegards,
Flyer75
I forgot to answer your question...
Yes I did pay for my Type but merely to get a JAA licence issued as it was part of the requiremenst set by the CAA.
They asked for the 14 ATPL exams,500 hours on MPA and a Jet Rating in a TRTO.
I could have done a CPL and IR which would have cost me even more than the type itself...not so much the CPL but the IR...
I chose the 737 as it seemed to me to be the most commun plane around..I guess I should have chosen the A320...but im more "stick and rudder" type of guy...
I got the chance to speak with Easy Jet recruitment by phone(a golden nr give by a friend..the only EU pilot who helped me..)but they want me to fly 6 months in any airline and any aircraft but it has to be commercially...its biting its own tail if you see what i mean..whats the big deal with not having flown in the Eu?I passed a JAA ATPL LST MSP(whatever they call it) that is a ATPL/IR and type rating the same day WITH the CAA observing...if thats not enough to prove a certain level i dont know what I need...and what are the ATPL exams for if not to teach about the EU Law and Airspaces...differences from the USA?
Tell you the truth I am disgusted but still hope for the light...cant even be Cabin Crew..they know id leave as soon as i get a flying job..
Flyer75
i would gladely change my CV but its been already sent to over 270 Airlines...Kind of expensive on stamps...
How could Pete help?Who is he?
KRegards,
Flyer75
I forgot to answer your question...
Yes I did pay for my Type but merely to get a JAA licence issued as it was part of the requiremenst set by the CAA.
They asked for the 14 ATPL exams,500 hours on MPA and a Jet Rating in a TRTO.
I could have done a CPL and IR which would have cost me even more than the type itself...not so much the CPL but the IR...
I chose the 737 as it seemed to me to be the most commun plane around..I guess I should have chosen the A320...but im more "stick and rudder" type of guy...
I got the chance to speak with Easy Jet recruitment by phone(a golden nr give by a friend..the only EU pilot who helped me..)but they want me to fly 6 months in any airline and any aircraft but it has to be commercially...its biting its own tail if you see what i mean..whats the big deal with not having flown in the Eu?I passed a JAA ATPL LST MSP(whatever they call it) that is a ATPL/IR and type rating the same day WITH the CAA observing...if thats not enough to prove a certain level i dont know what I need...and what are the ATPL exams for if not to teach about the EU Law and Airspaces...differences from the USA?
Tell you the truth I am disgusted but still hope for the light...cant even be Cabin Crew..they know id leave as soon as i get a flying job..
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Hey everyone,
Just met the lovley Ginny herself about 1 hr ago....
No more low hour guys for 4 years ...apparantley 
I don't know about non-low-hour-pilots, I'm sure there will be places to fill as pilots retire/move etc.
Just met the lovley Ginny herself about 1 hr ago....
No more low hour guys for 4 years
...apparantley I don't know about non-low-hour-pilots, I'm sure there will be places to fill as pilots retire/move etc.
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send pilot pete a pprune message, he may have some advice. He is a UK charter pilot.
obk
I would not believe everything you hear. 4 years? How on earth can that be decided now?
send pilot pete a pprune message, he may have some advice. He is a UK charter pilot.
obk
I would not believe everything you hear. 4 years? How on earth can that be decided now?
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I agree with you hence the 'apparantley' bit.
It was in an interview with her that she bought it up. I told her I want to be an airline pilot, but in an ops controller interview and I think she thought I wanted the ops job as a stop gap, just get closer to the pilots and ops etc....so she came out with that comment (quite bluntley) to check my reaction (assuming I would say "erh, oh, I don't want this job then") but I remained nice and ripe so I think I passed that test, I just hope my assumption is correct, unless she was relating specifically to low hour pilots :S
Cheers
obk
I agree with you hence the 'apparantley' bit.
It was in an interview with her that she bought it up. I told her I want to be an airline pilot, but in an ops controller interview and I think she thought I wanted the ops job as a stop gap, just get closer to the pilots and ops etc....so she came out with that comment (quite bluntley) to check my reaction (assuming I would say "erh, oh, I don't want this job then") but I remained nice and ripe so I think I passed that test, I just hope my assumption is correct, unless she was relating specifically to low hour pilots :S
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I think the "4 year" marker for not recruiting any low hour pilots is pretty accurate.
DHL have got a neat operation running in the UK and seem pretty switched on; judging from the comments made during the round of recruitment days that DHL held specifically for guys & gals with a frozen atpl, id say that what obk heard (From Ginny personally too) is spot on. Pilots with DHL are only flying approx 300-500 hours per year due to the nature of their operation. Therefore it will be at least 3-4 years before any of the low houred frozen atpl's become unfrozen. These folk are also tied into contracts for the next 5 years and are very very unlikely to go anywhere else....why would they with such a good pay deal, great job and nice company to work for !!
Unless there are large numbers of pilots moving between companies within the 757 world, as noted before there are unlikely to be more openings for the recently qualified f'atpl with about 200-300 hours.
Much as I like to believe that us pilot folk can use the force like Skywalker & Co, the only way things are likely to change is if DHL bring on a few more 757's or larger 767s.....
Ahhhh, a nice sporty 75, freshly painted and full of cardboard boxes........now that would be fun to play with.
Goldfinger (now dreaming of climb rates and RB211s at a desk in a gloomy office)
I think the "4 year" marker for not recruiting any low hour pilots is pretty accurate.
DHL have got a neat operation running in the UK and seem pretty switched on; judging from the comments made during the round of recruitment days that DHL held specifically for guys & gals with a frozen atpl, id say that what obk heard (From Ginny personally too) is spot on. Pilots with DHL are only flying approx 300-500 hours per year due to the nature of their operation. Therefore it will be at least 3-4 years before any of the low houred frozen atpl's become unfrozen. These folk are also tied into contracts for the next 5 years and are very very unlikely to go anywhere else....why would they with such a good pay deal, great job and nice company to work for !!
Unless there are large numbers of pilots moving between companies within the 757 world, as noted before there are unlikely to be more openings for the recently qualified f'atpl with about 200-300 hours.
Much as I like to believe that us pilot folk can use the force like Skywalker & Co, the only way things are likely to change is if DHL bring on a few more 757's or larger 767s.....
Ahhhh, a nice sporty 75, freshly painted and full of cardboard boxes........now that would be fun to play with.
Goldfinger (now dreaming of climb rates and RB211s at a desk in a gloomy office)
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Thanks a million for telling me all about the way that the company I fly for i.e. DHL..... does things!
Ginny may well be correct in her attestations that no low hours guys will be taken on for 4 years. After all, I know she is the lady in charge of handing jobs out.
However the recent cadet intake has proven successful by all accounts ( I was in the sim this week, and a senior trainer told me this) so, it may not be quite four years in my opinion. After all, these guys earn £15000 a year less than most FO's in DHL.....so it is attractive to the company to employ them.
So, I suspect Ginny was really saying "no promises, don't get your hopes up".......
As for people leaving? Well, DHL, like all airlines in a foodchain. There are better companies to work for. There are worse companies to work for. What is a fact is that permanent nights do not suit everyone, and pilots do not have to rely on the 757 type rating for a job. Several have left DHL lately for new operators and new type ratings.
Thanks a million for telling me all about the way that the company I fly for i.e. DHL..... does things!
Ginny may well be correct in her attestations that no low hours guys will be taken on for 4 years. After all, I know she is the lady in charge of handing jobs out.
However the recent cadet intake has proven successful by all accounts ( I was in the sim this week, and a senior trainer told me this) so, it may not be quite four years in my opinion. After all, these guys earn £15000 a year less than most FO's in DHL.....so it is attractive to the company to employ them.
So, I suspect Ginny was really saying "no promises, don't get your hopes up".......
As for people leaving? Well, DHL, like all airlines in a foodchain. There are better companies to work for. There are worse companies to work for. What is a fact is that permanent nights do not suit everyone, and pilots do not have to rely on the 757 type rating for a job. Several have left DHL lately for new operators and new type ratings.
