Application for easyjet and Thomas Cook UK

[T/O]

Good evening,

I want to apply for a First Officer position at easyjet and Thomas Cook UK. I researched
http://www.thomascookpilots.com/vacancies.htm
and
http://www.easyjet.com/en/jobs/pilot...quirments.html
and because I have an JAA frozen ATPL with less than 500 hrs the CTC ATP Scheme seems to be the way I have to follow ...


Okay, but where to apply - at the airlines or at CTC?
And in the first case ...
for easyjet obviously http://www.easyjet.com/en/jobs/flightdeckform.asp but for Thomas Cook ...? - no online application form?

Thank you!

[tailscrape]

CTC. No doubt at all.

[T/O]

Can you post a link, tailscrape?
I found only an application form for cadet pilot schemes via CTC on their website.

Do I have to apply for a specific airline at CTC or can I apply for both or is the application "general"?

[tailscrape]

Just call up the CTC crew training centre, tell them you have an FATPL with less than 500 hours.... the rest will become apparent then.

Competitive place mind you..... good luck.

[T/O]

Can you give me some information prior to my phone call, please?

Is the CTC ATP Scheme for a specific airline (which is determined in advance) and which actually looks for FOs and hires afterwards or can I regard it as a "general FO preparation" for the CTC Partner Airlines but noncommittal, for example holding pool after the training and employment maybe later when one of the partner airline hires?

[T/O]

TC UK and Easyjet via CTC ATP Scheme

Is there someone out there who had a JAA frozen ATPL with less than 500 hrs and joined one of these airlines (or another one???) via the CTC ATP Scheme?

How does it work like?
Do I make the grade, come into a holding pool and can but not must be taken by one of the airlines?
Or is a certain FO position FOR ME determined in advance, for which I make the grade and afterwards (sooner or later) get hired?

And where to apply for a FO position via the ATP Scheme?


I researched http://www.ctcaviation.com/pilot_atp_scheme.htm and the airlines' websites but no info about the application process!?


Furthermore, in the pdf-file it is stated "the sponsor airline is responsible for the fees charged by CTC ..."!

But how to make the bridge to an airline when I shall send my application to CTC?

Further it is stated that the ATP Scheme includes MCC ... hm, I had already enjoyed such a course?

Further they speak about a "shortlist for airline placement". Does anyone know which waiting period has to be expected actually?

[Gin Slinger]

Why not get off your arse (metaphorically speaking), pick up the phone and call CTC. I'm sure they can provide the answers.

I'd give you 0/10 for initiative.

EDIT: look, I've even posted the phone number for you!

023 8084 4000

[T/O]

I do not live in England and I didn't make my flight training in England, like you. So I'm not familiar with these schemes and how they work like.

Of course I will call them and send them my application, but as you can see English is not my motherlanguage and I would feel much more comfortable to know some basics prior to my phone call.

If someone has made any experience with the ATP Scheme or has any infos and wants to enlighten me, these comments are highly appreciated ...

[two speed prop 3]

T/O,

There are four stages to the assessment:

Stage 1)

Contact CTC by telephone or email and request that they send you an application pack for the CTC ATP Scheme. Fill this in and they will assess it against their selection criteria, if you pass your onto stage 2.

Stage 2)

I believe that this consists of written and computer based assessments covering areas such as mental maths, en-route and approach charts, instrument interpretation, etc. Then you take part in group exercises where you have to build a bridge or survive on a desert island or something similar.

Stage 3)

This is the interview with the panel followed by the simulator assessment.

The first three stages are free.

Stage 4)

If you pass the first three stages you are invited to do the CTC Airline Qualification Course. This is basically a three week course and covers areas such as CRM, LOFT, Advanced jet handling and MCC. This course is at your own cost(approx. £7000) and you must complete the whole course whether you have an MCC certificate or not. This is basically their chance to assess your suitability for the scheme.

If you pass this you then go into the hold pool and you await placement with an airline. When an airline selects you they pay for your type rating and in return you work for them for six months for free. If they are happy with your performance after this period then they will offer you a contract. After this six month period you are not bonded to the airline as you have essentially repaid them by working for nothing. Note- Some airlines pay a small allowance during the six months.

Be advised: Due to the large number of people in the hold pool, they are not running stages two and three at present. This is likely to be the case for several months.

Hope this helps. Best of Luck.

TSP3

[T/O]

Thank you for your concrete informations, two speed prop 3, this was the post I've been looking for.

Let me add two other questions ...

> ... and you await placement with an airline ...

By whom is coordinated which pilot to which airline and when ("seniority" in the holding pool?)? Do I understand the next quoted sentence right, the airlines look at the candidates and select the one's which are most suitable?
Is there the risk that I pass the Airline Qualification Course successful but never are selected because of too much pilots in the holding pool or gets everyone of the pool his chance?

> ... When an airline selects you they pay for your type rating ...

Okay, I've to pay the 7000 and to work these 6 month for (nearly) free, but the airlines do not require the pilots to give bonds like they (at least easyjet) do for the Type Rating Sponsorship Scheme (provided fATPL and more than 500 hrs)?

Would be cheaper than the Type Rating Sponsorship Scheme (bond over 23000 is required) or do I make a failure in my cogitations?

But actually this all sounds a bit like money-making for me at the expense of the graduates or am I mistaken?

What are your thoughts?

Did you go for it and in which phase are you now? Would you recommend it?

[Hulk]

But actually this all sounds a bit like money-making for me at the expense of the graduates or am I mistaken?


YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT!

[T/O]

> ... or am I mistaken?


So please do not feel offended.

I still don't know if anyone in the pool who passed the selection and the AQC successful will get his chance or maybe not?

If yes, I find the offer is okay, because every interest know the facts in advance and can decide wheather he participates or not.

If no, I would be very careful. What does it help to pay and make the AQC and waiting in the pool without knowing what will happen and if you can ever start for an airline which was aspired through the scheme?

In general I find nothing wrong to be careful and to discuss clearly every option in advance. In this business it's easy to loose lots of money in a short time which is difficult to earn especially without job.


So no offence to you or someone else, just let's discuss the Scheme, its advantages and its possible risks.
Maybe some of you out there live in the UK and know more about this scheme than me ... ?

[Vortex Thing]

T/O m8,

This really is not difficult. Here's how it works. As TSP3 explained in great detail. You pays your money, you takes your chance.

There are absolutely no guarantees about anything in life and certainly not anything in flying.

So if you pass Stage 1, you go to stage 2. Stage 2 to 3 then if you pass stage 3 you go to stage 4.

Now here is the bit where I believe that you are finding a problem with. Just because you have passed stages 1,2 & 3 does not mean that stage 4 is an attendance course. You must pass the course to the required standard to enter the hold pool.

Where you are placed in the hold pool will depend on how well you perform on stage 4 but by virtue of the fact that you have probably beaten off 97% of your original competition to even get in to the hold pool (presently 30+ strong) I would just accept that getting into it is the goal for now.

Now how long you wait is dependant on God, it may be 1 week it may be 2-3 years. There are no absolutely no guarantees that you will ever leave the hold pool. On the other hand the chances are that you will.

So are you betting 7k on possibly a very expensive MCC and JOC yep. No one is holding a gun to your head. If you want to play the game, play it.

You could just get yourself past 500hrs by paying for your flying, total cost probably 25k to get fm 250hrs to 500hrs. Pay the 5k for an instructors rating and get paid peanuts to get the hours above 500, cheapest option or you could spend £500 on lottery tickets the choice is yours but do not expect a guarantee.

The only guarantee that there is is that unless you either get 500hrs and go for the TRSS or get thru the ATP scheme into the pool the chances of you ever working for easyJet or TCA are about the same as me getting my next job as a Concorde skipper.

Out of interest you may find that you struggle with the scheme if your written English is as weak as it seems at present. I only point this out because it is something that I found when applying to Lufthansa. My spoken German was okay but my written was no where near the standard. I also had the same problem with my French but then I wasn't really as bothered about getting a job with a French operator due to thier love of the English

Ring Jo Ward at CTC she really is very approachable you can always give a puesdonym.

Good luck at Dibden if you go.

VT