Also still want to know how its possible for aircraft registered on a dysfunctional country's dysfunctional Civil Aviation Register, to be based in Europe.

Does that mean that Congolese aircraft are also now welcome.

The worst or best case of European hypocracy I have ever seen.

As long as aircraft from country XYZ aren't prohibited from EU airspace who is to say they are based or simply visiting?

Based or visiting?
 

How about checking Avient's website home page and seeing where their contact details are? There used to be a requirement to prove your "principal place of business" for operators using the EU but that seems to have disappeared.
Remember Dasair (Ugandan registration) based in Gatwick, African International (Swazi registration - changed to South African) based in Gatwick and what about ACE (Ghana register) still based in Ostend?

Ask an aviator fom Harare if they ever see Avient aircraft in Zimbabwe.

The IL-76 they were flying may have gone there once or twice in a year but since its demise also no longer.

THAT's what's wrong with it. And if Air Zimbabwe is not yet banned in Europe, cant wait till they start flying their Xiang's there.

AVIENT Il-76
 

AAL,

Is the IL not running for the South Africa Military, took over the contract from Adagold?

MD11 Z-BAT was delivered this morning, Miami-Liege as SMJ456F...:ok::ok:

Do you think that someone from the Belgian CAA might ask a few questions about what happened on departure from Shanghai before they allow this replacement MD11F to depart from Liegge on a revenue flight ?
Or is it just a case of keeping your head down :confused:

I would hope that the Belgian CAA, as the rest of the professional aviation world, awaits the official report on the accident, before drawing any premature conclusions.

The delivery of the second MD11 (Z-BAT) is delayed. It is now scheduled to arrive in Liege later today (26th of January) from Miami as SMJ456F.

Agree, but in the absence of any official report to date, how do we know that the same scenario won't repeat itself, God forbid ? Whether it was human error or a mechanical failure, I assume that new procedures have been put in place although I am not sure how this can be done without an official report stating the cause of the accident in the first place.

In other words you suggest BA and AF should be grounded as well before official reports are produced?

BA and AF have reputable flight ops and don't try to skirt regulations with a registration from Zimb.

If you draw a similar comparison between two national airlines and Avient you are sadly mistaken.

Avient's first MD11 was lost just days after entering service, on a type new to them and one which has never previously been registered under Zimbabwe safety oversight.

I would have thought that before a second aircraft enters service more questions should be answered.

As of last week, Avient were desperately trying to find an experienced MD11 loadmaster Instructor to train their existing loadmasters and had been looking and asking around the States. Does this mean they have no one on board that has any experience on type, if so, what happened on the first aircraft? All sounds a bit late to me! Second airframe about to arrive and still no experience within the organisation :ugh:

Today Z-BVT arrived at Liege as SMJ456F from Miami. It touched down around 10:00 local time.... Here's photoproof, credit to Rex of www.mst-aviation.nl

Sure hope it lasts longer than their first MD11. Wish them happy and good revenues and multiple safety assessment inspections from the EASA Foreign Airlines Safety Assessment Team...

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5008/zbvt.jpg

As PH-SCP says, I'm guessing there's going to be regular SAFA inspections on this one!

I know a couple of guys with lots of MD11F experience. All currently employed, but who knows... for the right money :} ...

It was scheduled to depart today as SMJ213, departure at 1200Z but I'm not sure if it actually went anywhere

Aircraft go AOG all the time. Maybe it's awaiting a spare. Nothing they can do about that. Happens to airlines with large resources.

Anyone with info on the DC10s?

Z-ALT was last logged 12th of June 2010 (maintenance/retired?)
Z-AVT was last logged 24th of December 2009 (retired?)

The sole MD11 seems to be busy with flying to/from Liege daily.

I have a pic of AVT departing LGG in mid March this year.

Avient
 

Where is Sanders these days ?

Where is Sanders...........
 

Up the river, dear boy, up the river........:ok:

sanders
 

I doubt that many of our readers will have heard of Edgar Wallace, or even Paul Robeson!!

Robeson, along with a generation of blacks caught up in the whirlwind events of the 1930s, saw the battle against racism as indivisible from the battle against capitalism. He was always scarred with Stalinist politics. But we should remember him as a singer, an artist and a tireless class warrior.

Where's Sanders?

As far away as possible, with any luck . . .

DD what are you doing these days Donnie bound and what about DT is he still at DHL? :ok:

And keeping out of trouble too DD. Life is still good out here.

Engineer:

Yep, still near DSA and working on behalf of a rather large aerospace company. DT still resides at BZZ for the time being.

Fergi:

Out in your neck of the woods (CHC) in February as No1 daughter has given in and decided to make us grand parents.

The last I heard (earlier this year), was that Andrew DID turn his back on the surviving pilot of the Shanghai crash.

My point was that we were NEVER covered by personal insurance when we flew - just the assurance that ''Andrew will look after you''.

It would appear not, it my information was true.

Avient under the microscope
 

Doesn't appear things are looking very good at the moment.
A heavy landing in Dakar - with their one an only MD11F - damaging engine Nbr#2 with a long AOG before 2 engine ferry to Liege for more MX.. Now I hear they've lost / lost a thrust reverser on the last flight with some structural damage.. Has anyone else heard any more???

SMJ-OPS
 

Their only MD11 (Z-BVT) flew SMJ504F on the 29th of September which could have been the ferryflight you described. I do not know DEP/DEST of that flight. It then operated SMJ217 (Khartoum-Liege) on the 1st of October and it was seen sitting on the ramp on both the 2nd and 3rd of October.

DC10 Z-ALT operated flight SMJ501 on the 1st of October.

Hope all crews are OK. Something will eventually happen again, just a question of time, unless they fold.:D

Avient making headlines again
 

Would love to see the logbook of that airplane. Although my bet is that it's clean as a whistle. Not a DMI in sight :-0

Photoshop is your friend . . . again and again

MD-11 was planned to depart this morning, back to stand...

well i expect that grand designs can find a use for any spare md-11 engines
amazing hot tub design..and cheap too may worth be thinking about...