B cargo difficulties
 

I've been told cargo B will maybe stop all operations next week...:eek: any info about that?:confused:

Bcargo or Cargo B (brussels)?

Cargo B (brussels)

mk
 

apparentlyl mk airline(freight) has also 'stopped' flying due to the high fuel price and awaits an injection of capital...has anyone heard anything more

It seems that Cargo B are stopping the Brussells operation and moving somewhere else. Some of the crews know something but all staying very quiet. There's a big big connection with DHL somewhere, from earwigging a conversation but I can't figure out how. Two of the guys were laughing about all being on the same side now!! Maybe just the Belgian Exchequer and his punitive tax regime pushed them out but I think it's deeper than that.

Didn't MK restart ops last week?

yes they did. My loadie was foreseen on one of their flights

I will check the info, but I think one of their a/c is scheduled for a d-check very soon

CargoB
 

Its a shame - they brought some competition to the market and jobs !. Hope they sort it out like MK did !. :sad:

There is nothing wrong with Cargo B := , they have a ship that is going in D check for the summer (until sept) . At the moment they are flying full loads and are in a active search of a third aircraft. :ok:

You seem to be in the know Belgianconnection, what of the word that the -200 won't come out of the hangar at all, but may be replaced with something else? a -400 perhaps?

Mentions Cargo B, but i'm guessing they have the wrong information???



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yep wrong info, they stand to be corrected.:ugh:
btw they are looking at accelerated 400 entry due to high feul prices but would prefer to fly the 200 until planned date of exit (it was all in the dutch website luchtvaartnieuws)

ABC aircraft reeturned
 

From what I have been told, the third Cargo B aircraft (VP-BIB from AirBridge Cargo) has been returned and Cargo B will continue with two. One currently in maintenance and one flying.

No not at all, VP-BIB has been rejected by cargo B airlines because the russians practically demolished the aircraft while flying it, it was technically not in a good condition. Thats why Cargo B is still looking for a third aircraft to fly by ocktober. VP-BIB was flown to chateauroux in France after the rejection last month.

ABC
 

Sorry, that's what I meant to convey, that VP-BIB had been returned to ABC not to Cargo B

The cargo market is pretty busy at the moment, yet seems Cargo B have aircraft availble for charters, so doesn't sound to me like they are "flying full"???

Cargo B does fly 3 rotations to South America a week this still leaves room for charters. I can only say that the aircraft is always full when I see it and thats what we get back as feeback from the loadies aswell.

Torghabe
 

Fortunately, you dont know technical condition VP-BIB and VP-BIA, when we took them from AlItalia in 2004.

that means you flew for 3 to 4 years with those things in a bad technical condition.???????
The stories we heard from the LH tech guys were not funny.

Torghabe
 

Can you explane a bit more "those thinks"? According with contract LH Technic is responsible for technical condition ("bad technical condition"). So, you knew, during preflight check I cant calculate all nuts, but if I dont want take the plane (due to difficulties, high oil prices, no markets, etc), I will find a lot of reason reject the plane. In this case "bad technical condition"- most winning version, especially as the plane 20 years old.

Believe me my friend when our second aircraft came from russia it took a lot of maintenance and a lot of sudden problems comming up in flight..... which where odd ,that took time to repair now after a couple of months its up to standards, after inspection the third aircraft was even in a worse condition than the second so management rejected it. Now they are looking for a 3th aircraft urgently because the market is there and trafficload is high.
btw it is not because an aircaft is 20 years old it should be in bad condition.:=

I cant believe an aircraft rejection had nothing to do with the airframe or engines not living up to the agreed return from lease contract. Still can be rectified. The party returning the aircraft will have a period of time to correct the outstanding items and then redeliver the aircraft.

No reason after that to not accept the aircraft unless the managment screwed up and did not include a clause stipulating minimum cycles remaining on each engine at return..........:\

i dont think you will find many 20 year old classics (mostly 25 yrs old or more )- except possibly -300's
the 400f is already 15 years in service..and starting to show its age with maintenance costs due hi utilisation

It was already rejected for a second time (ot third even). maintenance cost is high on these birds your correct but if you maintain them well they should fly no probs. I am not allowed to tell you the tech status they where in when we got them but :eek:
Now they are flying well , with almost no probs. (well he's in D check now)

Anyways, BIB is not coming to Cargo B so enough said on that one.:}

So, Belgianconnection, "they" has become "we", therefore as an employee you will know the real truth behind the rumours? In view of the current market conditions, even established MD11 and 747-400 operators are struggling to keep going. With just 1 -200 flying in the low season when revenues are traditionally at their lowest for European-based freighter operators, I will be intrigued to know your recipe for survival/success?

Good point charterman, and I must say I don't know.
WE just hope for the best, and hopefully management takes good decisions.
I can only say all flights we do at the moment are full loads, for specific details or how much money they make or not make you'll need to go to the top.
For the moment I am enjoying the beast of the skies, enjoy the routes and flying with FE's. I would not want to see a fun outfit like this dissapear......:rolleyes:, I know we all work hard and try to make something of it in this harsh world .:\

Sad to say, but full of freight does not mean that the flights are making money. There are lots of operators of both freighters and passenger aircraft in the world at the moment who are flying flat out full, but losing money. Unfortunately airline managers either choose to ignore this fact or hope that there are better times around the corner.
Scottie from Star Trek famously said "ye canna change the laws of physics"
I say " ye canna change the laws of economics"

Nice speech! Campai!

hey all!

Any news about cargo B recently? I have heard a rumour about cooperation with ANA...? Anyone any news?

grtz

sorry wrong info....:=

The connection with DHL is through Air Contractors who own the aircraft.

If your looking for another airframe? Dragonair are retiring a classic 743SF tomorrow in good condition!

cargob
 

belgianconnection,

birds are singin' that your 'outfit' (as you call it) is being sold to a real airline as we speak.

Harsh world, eh ?

Best of luck.

Cargo B only flies to South America now?

Is this why Cargolux flies the BRU-FIH-NBO-MST-BRU ???

Might be possible (as to 'condition') however, I am reminded of the time long ago when I was retained by DHL (circa 1980, and by the 'D' himself in DHL, Adrian Delsay) as to the 'condition' of some B707 freighters that were being considered, purchased from CX.
Not only were these aircraft advertised as -300C advanced (which they were definitely not) but they were full of corrosion in the keel beam/belly area.
Adrian passed on the airplanes...and with good reason.
Anything from HKG is subject to being highly suspect....big time.:}

Singing birds is a national sport in belgium :}
Lets hope future brings good things :E:)

Cargo B
 

So who is the mystery "real airline" MaxBlow?

Air Contractors?;)

Cargo B buyers
 

Wild guess or inside info Yorky? Doesn't seem to be a good fit...

Ia cargo-B getting the very much promised 3rd 747-200 ex NCA, or will they be flying with only 2 acft?