greuzi

What happened mate?

Choke on your lunch? Bit of Grissel? Then spit it out if you got something to say!:=

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-take-off.html

that seems very plausable - aircraft at V1 or just afer has a fire alert and rejects the take - off, leaving little breathing room for slowing down at near rotation speed for a heavy loaded freighter.

will be a brown trousers moment for any freight dog to suddenly lose an engine at a critical time.

All OK
 

Hey Guy's the main thing is all are OK to fly another day....

Greetings from the past,
BKK, Richard

Great to hear!!!

With the fuel load they had the center tank was empty.
structural failure or just and engine puking? Only time will tell

Interesting theory.
 

So, you're suggesting it was either a bomb or it was shot down?

:p

;)

No. I am just wonder what happened; did it break apart on takeoff or after rejecting for an engine failure? I am sure the investigations will reveal what actually happened.

No. I am just wonder what happened; did it break apart on takeoff or after rejecting for an engine failure? I am sure the investigations will reveal what actually happened.

Don't think the aircraft took off mate, thought it aborted around V1.

One would sincerely hope that the accident investigation DOES reveal what happened.

Oh, I am sure they will. They have all the parts, the Belgians, FAA, and NTSB are all on the case. It may take a while. Thank God they didn't burst into flames.

"So, you're suggesting it was either a bomb or it was shot down?"

Yeah - 704 suffered a direct hit, shot down by a midget while laying on his back on the runway centerline. .(just after the nose wheel squished him).

No . . . . . Post #45 should read - common fail point when stressed . . . that's all, nothing more.

Evanelpus
 

Sorry for my ignorance , but i thought V1 was point of no return

No matter What !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is, but there are rare instances where you don't have a choice-dual engine failure on a 74 etc.

Heard the FO was the one that aborted!! Did they lose two engines on the runway?

That operator does not abort takeoffs; it rejects them, and the First Officer does not have the option of rejecting the takeoff. Only the captain does that.

ex dog
 

PNR or Point of No return ( as you put it) has nothing to do with V speeds. If a very old and Big aircraft such as a 747 classic suffers a major malfunction such as two engines failing during the TO roll or it breaks in half after V1 it may just warrant rejecting the Take Off. :ugh: The experts should find the cause so we don't have to.

Fesmokie
 

Yes ,you are correct , i don't no the answer , just happy the crew got out
The pictures i have seen look pretty horrendous

If 1 eng out ,Get it 50foot in the air ,gear up and start dumping at the fence. Keep going ?
If 2 out do as they did ?

Glad all ok.

Why the hurry to start fuel jettison? The a/c would only be 300-310 tonnes, with a max. landing weight of 285 tonnes. Stick to company SOPs regarding flight following an engine failure. With 2 engines losing power - that's a different story!
So far there doesn't seem to be any evidence that the RTO was started after V1, nor that 2 engines lost power.

If you loose 2 engines after V1, it's just not your lucky day...

V1 is a calculated figure which is giving the relation between ASDA and TORA.
At this specific point (speed vs rwy lenght) the decision Has to be made to either stop or go. Make the decision a few knots before V1, 'cause with the acceleration your initiation may well be later than V1...:ouch:
Anything later than that and you're committed to go. That's what you briefed in the first place.
Only with a relatively light aircraft and a very long rwy (not limiting)
there's room for improvisation if it's gonna save your asses.
Try EdwardsAFB...;)

The difficult one is when the problem occures just before V1 but remains unnoticed or the action is delayed until you've already passed the magic number...-> It's now a GO because as per your calculations you Will go off the runway if you try to stop the beast at this point... :eek::=

It's all in the Boeing FCTM if you have one.

Sorry for being a bit academic, but this stop/go discussion was leading us nowhere...:}

Guys take care outthere and I suggest you request Rwy 25 for a while when in Bru.

Chrz,