if ever.
Maybe JC knows something. Maybe AAWW will sell PAC aircraft and traffic rights to UPS so they can more efficiently support the DHL flying.
DHL just waked away from other huge investments that did not produce in the US. And we all know what UPS does with the Pilots of the arilines they purchase.
if ever....... could mean this is your last chance.

Kool Aid ?
 

Nitty-Gritty:
Integrety ? More Kool Aid anyone ?

This text is published where? Was this to only Polar crew?

In a letter from JC to BH. Oddly enough, not posted on GlobalNet. I've read the text, and it says what was quoted in reference to the FEs.

I think that everyone should be more interested in a resent email. The one currently discussed is trivial compared to what the Polar MEC is sitting on now.

Since everyone has the inability to "cut-n-paste" the whole story, I guess I'll demonstrate the same.

EJ,
Let me fix that one for ya...

In a letter from JC to BH. Oddly enough, not posted on GlobalNet. I've read the text, and it says what was MIS-quoted in reference to the FEs.

or at least taken out of context. Typical.

Well, I guess some of the secret is out.

Curious if the Polar MEC has decided to divulge it to their membership.

Atlas June 30th message

Nitty
Can you keep us updated on the Atlas VARS on a regular basis? They make interesting reading.

Don't blow my post out of proportion, Beaver. I was merely demonstrating that Cato believes that an implementation of merged seniority is at least a year off, and that he may be doubtful at that.

Nothing else. Nothing more.

I doubt that - if so then post the whole thing. The quote is quite obviously taken out of context - especially the "..., if ever..."

Besides that, there is already a merged list and you and Mr. Cato well know it. The list was put in place by Arbitrator Harris two years ago in November. So none of what you have said has any ring of truth to it.

Just curious on the Polar thoughts of the recent company proposal mentioned in the Polar VARS ( WMA audio). I also believe the mentioned short term outsourcing is due to ongoing maintenance checks on one or two Polar -400's which is allowed. Thought that some of that was selectively left out of the message to give his argument more leverage.

Some good news...

Atlas Air Achieves Globally Recognized Safety Benchmark
Wednesday July 9, 12:11 pm ET


PURCHASE, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (AAWW) (Nasdaq: AAWW - News) today announced that its subsidiary, Atlas Air, Inc., has achieved a globally recognized safety and quality standard following a stringent audit of its operational standards and procedures.
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By completing the International Air Transport Association’s Operational Safety Audit (IOSA), Atlas Air continues to demonstrate an international and industry-leading commitment to safety.

“Our inclusion in the IOSA registry is a further acknowledgement that our operations rank with those of the best air carriers in the world,” said William J. Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer of AAWW. “Our customers also benefit from this achievement as they will be able to take advantage of our IOSA registration without having to conduct separate safety and quality audits of their own, therefore saving them time and reducing their costs.”

Atlas Air received the IOSA registration as part of its membership in IATA following a series of stringent audits by an IATA-accredited auditor. It is valid until November 2009, and is renewable thereafter every two years subject to future audits.

The audit covers key areas of Atlas Air’s operations: corporate organization and management structure; flight operations; flight dispatch; aircraft engineering and maintenance; ground handling; cargo operations; and airline security.

About Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc.:

AAWW, a leading provider of global air cargo assets and services, is the parent company of Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas) and the majority shareholder of Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. (Polar). Through Atlas and Polar, AAWW operates the world’s largest fleet of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft.

Atlas and Polar offer a range of air cargo services that include ACMI aircraft leasing – in which customers receive a dedicated aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance on a long-term lease basis – military charters, commercial cargo charters, scheduled air cargo service (including express network service for DHL Express later in 2008), and dry leasing of aircraft.

AAWW’s press releases, SEC filings and other information may be accessed through the Company’s home page, Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings.



Contact:
Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc.
Dan Loh, 914-701-8200

Gotten real quiet out there.

Anyhow, the Atlasforteamsters.com site now reports 93% sending in cards. They also have the company response to the NMB and the NMB call for responses on it documents section.

HHN is a heck of an upgrade to PIK. Nice facilities and great hotel. Also close to RMS to pick up military flights, vs doing Ryan Air out of PIK to get to Germany.

The station personnel in PIK were great, but the catering was awful and the typical ATIS was "WET-WET-WET", followed by gusty winds at 90 degrees that were at times over company limits. I will not miss this station. Although, after 14 years going there, I was beginning to pick up their language.
Having recently dead headed on POLAR,( yes, I'm from the other side ), I found the crew to be friendly, and quite professional. Of this I am not surprised. I just wanted the readers to know that as pilots, I have found that both sides treat each other with respect when on the aircraft/crew bus/hotel crew room, ect. I have no doubt the when the day comes for us to operate together, there won't be a problem. It seems that this forum is a good place to vent by those that need to.

Hey this is all great and all to throw stones at each other but has anyone from the Polar or Atlas side dug up the information on the company AAWH has started out of Prestwick??? All I can find thus far is a DRY LEASE company with two classics on the certificate. Our fearless leader had mentioned it at the employee exchange.

I sure would hate to have a wonderful contract that's not worth the paper it's written on (a certain Wilmington, Ohio based pilot group comes to mind if they lose the arbitration) if all they do is agree to it and then it's tossed out the window. Let's hope for a REASONABLE contract and strong scope.

Later,

DumbDumb

Dumbdumb, what company out of Prestwick are you referrng to? Where can I find any info on that?
Thought Polar/Atlas had finished at PIK (apart from Panalpina ACMI flights).

References please?

From the Feb 27 press release dealing with 2007 results:

"In February, we established a wholly owned subsidiary of AAWW based in Ireland that will focus on the acquisition, sale, dry leasing, marketing and servicing of aircraft and related equipment. Still in its nascent phase, this Irish company has already dry leased one 747-200 to a third party in the first quarter of 2008."

This was the conduit for the two airplanes that went to Tradewinds. Dry lease airplanes, furlough engineers. Get airplanes returned, have insufficient crews to operate them. Have airplanes sit. Oppps--that didn't work out too well :E

"the word" is that this is how they hope to place Classics as the fleet winds down. And I would not be suprised if a few -8s get dry leased, depending on the market. Or so they have hinted.