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SB.
Your Mummy will be very proud of you. :D |
It appears that both 748's have now departed Liverpool for Blackpool.
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Why's That Then
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Why's That Then Is it curtains for JAV Mk (whatever)? Who knows how much AJ wants to bleed on this one. They just can't shake off the legacy of the MO'B. Customers don't/wont forget..........tainted, or maybe rotten to the core. Rgds The Moss:ok: |
Yeh someone needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
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All I am trying to put across is that MOB like the rest of us had a boss who he worked for, adheared to and reported to.
The top notch of any Company holds the puppit strings and no one is that nieve. At the end of the day AJ employed MOB for many years, not just a matter of months or weeks but infact a lifetime and if what you said where true then I am sure that would not of been the case. Your views of what fellow customers think of MOB are infact incorrect .... and that is coming from the horses mouth. People are interested to see the progress with Janes Aviation and are not really interested in tit for tat pointing fingers which as a reader is now boring. :ok: |
Maybe one problem is that of size.
Emerald was the largest operator of the HS748 in the World. Now with only 2 aircraft currently 'ready to go', perhaps the previous client base perceives this as a problem? Additionally, there is no way they could take on large contracts, again through lack of aircraft (and currently crews as there appears to be no sign of TRTO approval?). Janes Aviation seems to be hoping to pick up where Emerald left off. Unfortunately the World has moved on and two years might prove to be too long in aviation in this respect. I suppose to the outside world Janes is just Emerald under another name - same aircraft, same people and, it maybe assumed, same problems. It's sad. They thought it was all over with Emerald, maybe with Janes it is now? Best wishes to all involved because it must have been one hell of a year! FOK :) |
I agree AJ was MOB'S boss but AJ was always a sucker for bullsh1t and particularly from someone who spouted it from the rooftops. that said, given it was MOB's arrogance that cost AJ a business he built up from scratch over 20years ago
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At the end of the day AJ employed MOB for many years, not just a matter of months or weeks but infact a lifetime and if what you said where true then I am sure that would not of been the case. Your views of what fellow customers think of MOB are infact incorrect .... and that is coming from the horses mouth. People are interested to see the progress with Janes Aviation and are not really interested in tit for tat pointing fingers which as a reader is now boring. You may have me down as some bitter and twisted ex JEM employee but, you'd be wrong, thankfully I have never worked for any incarnation of JAV..... Rgds The Moss:ok: |
this threds pretty dead, is the airline alive or is that dead to?
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It would seem a certain ex emerald licenced engineer is now advertising the virtues of visiting the IOM.
if your reading ...Hello Keith :) |
Any news on the TRTO approval?
IM and OE in BLK having maintenance, i believe. Shame that the potential Fraggle Rock customers were reluctant to commit. Obviously, they don't care if the Kippers go by slow-boat and newspapers that they read are yesterday's! In time it will succeed |
Oh dear oh dear
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Anyone know whats going on then?
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Oh dear, oh dear is about the right comment really.
If the a/c are in BLK for maintenance, then I'm from Turkmenistan. (Small hint, I'm not....) |
Do they have postcards in Turkmenistan?
Good luck with the JAN602 series which looks to be starting tonight! ;) |
http://www.mmmarquees.co.uk/images/carpet-white-290.jpg
A white carpet is a symbol of good luck in Turkmenistan! |
JAN602? What flight is this then?
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Did STN-BFS this morning, and down for STN-EDI tonight. A Royal Mail route?
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Update
A quick update for all our fans.
Yes IM & OE have been at Blackpool for maintenance. Yes we are flying a short series for the Post Office. The TRTO process is still ongoing, with meetings with CAA in early December. Rgds JAN OPS 1 |
I guess you'll be doing a lot more than a short series once those Christmas cards & parcels start circulating
Good luck E1 |
Nice to hear they are still flying
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Good luck Jan Ops 1. Stay in the fight.
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Saw the 748 fleet (including OE) when I visited BLK on a charter on Sunday, a few of them looked sad and neglected, but glad to hear that at least a couple of them still flying.
Fingers crossed for all concerned. :D |
You are from Turkmenistan then!
(ASB) Ashgabat Airport Departures, Arrivals, and Information
Say Again Slowly Nice carpet, but a bit small for travelling home to Ashgabat. I have put a link to Turkmenistan Airlines as i think it might be more comfortable for you. |
Thanks for that, but I think I'll risk the carpet, it has a better safety record.......
Glad to see I was wrong. |
Just to keep this Thread on the first page!
Any news or views? It's all gone very quiet. FOK :) |
I m Sure Andy is going to be working his bol--x off the christmas .
keep up the good work and dont listen to the haters |
WHERE ARE ANDYs BOLLOCKS NOW ? are they still parked up at blk or doing something useful other than looking pritty.
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Update
Good morning all, and may I say a Happy Christmas & a prosperous New Year to all our readers.
Our short series of flights for the Post Office went off as planned. The CAA have completed their review of the TRTO application and we expect written approval shortly. The CAA Flight Ops performed an audit and that went OK apart from the normal moans about crew & paperwork! There have been many comments posed about the lack of flying, so perhaps a few words on the commercial front may be in order. Unlike passenger flying, where it is down to the airline to select the route, advertise it and then start flying, the vast majority of cargo operations are on behalf of specific customers, such as the Post Office, Courier Companies or Freight Agents. When a contract is signed, it is normally for a specified period, with specific break clauses. Thus we have to wait until the contracts are up for renewal before we get a chance to bid for the work, unless, for example, another operator goes out of business. Ad-hoc work is very variable, with a lot being motor manufacturer based which is going to take a big hit as most motor plants seem to be going on short time working. That said, in the current business environment, a lot of customers are reviewing their air networks to ensure that they meet their requirements. This may mean that customers are looking to downsize from a larger aircraft to something a bit smaller, or they may decide that a specific route needs a separate operation. Conversely this may mean that routes are combined and need to use a larger aircraft. We are in constant communication with potential customers and running quotations for all sorts of operations. However, while it is still unclear how deep/long this period of recession is going to be, customers are waiting to see what happens. Luckily we are in a position where we can wait out this delay without it costing the earth. As a final point, there have been some derogatory postings, about our progress (or perceived lack of). We feel this is a little unfair, as we have tried to keep the broader aviation community apprised of our progress (where are the similar threads from West Atlantic, HD Air etc?), while respecting commercial sensitivity. While we will endeavour to keep this thread going in the spirit in which it was started, the people who need to know do not rely on this for their information. Rgds JAN OPS 1 |
Well said. The very fact that you're still hanging in there is a testament to the strength of your company and its business model (excuse the hackneyed management psychobabble) in these slow times.
Once again good luck. |
Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year to all those involved.
KR FOK :) |
Been a few weeks since last update anybody with any news?
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Any update on the TRTO?
The CAA have completed their review of the TRTO application and we expect written approval shortly. |
"The CAA Flight Ops performed an audit and that went OK apart from the normal moans about crew & paperwork!"
Wasn't that part of the original problem? Standing by to be corrected if I'm wrong. |
Hi all
TRTO : At the moment there is no point running courses etc until there is work for the crews. This is to both save resources and not to build people's hopes up during this time of diminishing crew opportunities
AUDIT : When you only have a small number of operations to be checked the CAA went through every set of return flight paperwork, and all they came up with was a minor mathematical error and a couple of missing signatures. Hardly the end of the world (you find me any airline that doesn't have on-going problems with crews completing paperwork). JAN OPS 1 |
Jan Ops 1
At the moment there is no point running courses etc until there is work for the crews Rgds The Moss:ok: |
9 months without much flying? Ouch, someone is taking a bath on this big time.
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About 6 mths ago I saw one of the good old 748s on approach into Liverpool. Brilliant sight. That was some fabulous flying experience. Any chance of a visit for nostalgias sake JAN OPS??
Hope it goes well for you. |
saw a 748 climbing of 10 today at bpl - lovely sight, even lovelyer sound. things looking up???????????????
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