Skystar320

Try reading my post again.

I said the 748 burns 1,100 litres/hr, not kg/hr. That equates pretty much with your quoted burn n'est-ce pas?

kilo / litre ratio is roughly 1 straight.............

Skystar320

In a word.... NO!

One litre of Jet A1 weighs between around 0.775 and 0.810 kg, dependent on the SG of the fuel.

Skystar320 ,You will find that is water not Jet A1.

If you are a consultant you would have known the difference in weight between water and jet A1.

Up to about a week ago I understand 'IM had not flown at all since its arrival SEN - not even any crew training. I don't know if that situation has changed since it came out of the spray shop.

lets get those darts roaring

i agree with lionel. we must haul and get them roaring once again.

Nice paint job

paint job
 

yeah looks nice

did they do it with a roller this time??

straightnot level

we didnt just use rollers we used marks&spencers rollers :)

Good luck to AJ and all he does.
Don`t take MOB on board though!!

good luck
 

i agree good luck to aj and his crew but as long as he gives mob a wide birth no one wants him anywere near the new operation rip mob:ok:

I am sure I am correct in noting this thread was created to bring about a positive feed for Janes Aviation.

For some of us it is an interesting and refreshing read.

Why do some individuals have to lower the tone to the same jargan that was posted on the later 'Emerald and the CAA'.

It shouldnt be what this new thread is about.

Perhaps JAN OPS 1 could give us an update on when operations are due to commence and a flavour of what form they will take. That would give us all something positive to talk about.

AVIATOR_2
Answer is simple, there is the same common denominator. AJ will have his hands full convincing customers that the 748 is the right A/C, without the added burden of convincing them (and the CAA, and potential employees) that MOB has some how changed his ways.

Good luck Andy - just hope you don't make the same mistake twice - now that would be careless. :ugh:

Planned Operations
 

Thank you all for your interest.

We are currently investigating many commercial leads to secure suitable work for the HS748. We were unable to really push this area until the AOC & OL were issued.

One area of concern has been the many aircraft of non-UK and non-EU registers that are currently operating in the UK. Having gone through a very expensive and long-winded process to ensure that the HS748 meets all JAR-OPS requirements, including performance, it is a little galling to see these other operators (fine though they may be) who may be operating aircraft that do not necessarily meet the same JAR-OPS requirements we have had to meet.

On other fronts, as has been seen G-AYIM is now resplendant in the Janes scheme (with or without the extra dot's!). Work is underway to enable a TRTO approval so that we can train additional crews. The second aircraft G-OSOE is being prepared and will enter service shortly. Transition to EU-OPS is also in hand.

Will update as thing's develope.

JAN OPS 1

JAN OPS 1

As far as foreign registered aircraft are concerned. You have my sympathy there.

This is what really bought Tradewinds down and possibly contributed to Anglo cargo's dimise. They were a good well run outfit's with UK reg and AOC. Unfortunately aircraft with african registrations and AOC's (bought in the bazaar), came in doing flights in and out of the UK along side the UK operators, at of course at less cost, so it does not take a bean counter to forecast the end result.

The UK authorities allowed this to happen and continue to happen to this very day and nothing seems to be done about it. I think it is an absolute disgrace.

GRRRRRRRRRRReat news, Hope Basiljet approves

Skystar 320
 

Guys, the skystar is a kid with a version of microsoft flight sim 2000. just try looking through his other posts that are littered like ramenta throughout the entire pprune site.

Totally ignorant, totally arrogant. 15 or 16 max.

Every post he makes is basically a wind up. It has to be. Noone can be really as asinine as him!

Any Flying Yet?
 

AOC and Class A Operating Licence issued 5 weeks ago and still no reports of any flying having taken place.

Hope all continues to go to plan .........:bored:

...to go to plan or go down the pan? (again)

Re: non-UK and non-EU registers that are currently operating in the UK.

Non-UK, I feel the CAA are missing the point, they are so paranoid with their opinion, all UK airlines are hell bent on degrading the 371, they are missing the point, it is not a change in the 371 we want, just a level, commercial, playing field in comparison with carriers from other EU countries.

Non-EU carriers are a different subject, the last freight application was only objected to by two airlines. If the UK’s airline management are not prepared to put the time and effort into producing viable objections, then we are just inviting these carriers in.

Operations
 

Hi all.

No we have not done any flights so far. However the long term plan always expected that the take-up would be slow as, due to CAA restrictions, we were not able to go into the market place until we had the AOC & OL in place.

As you are probably aware, freight contracts tend to be for fixed period, so we are in the process of bidding for contracts starting later in the year, when they come up for renewal.

One advantage of "mature" equipment is that our overheads are low, so we are not burning the cash that we would be if we had ATR equipment on an expensive lease.

On other fronts our TRTO application is in, so we should shortly be in a position to start crew training. The second aircraft is nearly ready for delivery, this being one of our stated aims that we would not want to start a contract without a back-up, to ensure customer satisfaction.

Rgds

JAN OPS 1

Thanks for the update and best of luck in seeking out some contract work.

What about ad hoc though? I would have thought you were well placed geographically for that at an H24 airfield. I believe there is a Hungarian AN26 charter in SEN today for example, so there must be some of that type of work available n'est-ce pas? Or does the lack of a freight door preclude you from bidding for much of what is available?

ADHOC work
 

We have considered ad-hoc work, and will probably be open to that in the future, but aircraft like the AN26 which are cheap and also have the rear loading ramp tend to hoover up that sort of work now, especially the car parts which tend to come in large stillages which are a pain in the **** on the 748.

There is the 1 LFD 748 (G-BIUV) that Emerald had, but it is believed that it has been sold.

Rgds OPS

Ah yes! The good old Ford 'pigbins'.

Can't help feeling a bit of "deja vu on the other foot" when someone from Janes complains about using foreign registered aircraft because they are cheap. Of course, Emerald NEVER did that!!

Doc C

Great to hear that things are progressing nicely.

Does J.A. still need 748-experienced crew?
I believe that some have applied but not heard a reply as yet.

is bill comeing back

JAN OPS 1
Did you receive my PM ok ?
Thks

0523 Cov Man

Why - do you need another flying lesson from bill?

Cov Man

I meet Bill most days - do you have a message?

Well done
 

Good to see that they cant keep a couple of "old dogs down" I am so glad you got things going again, its been interesting watching from outside the aviation bubble, the developments of the last couple of years.

Its a shame that the rug was pulled initially and all the unhappiness and bad feeling it caused. All the best I am sure you will be very successful

I don't want to rain on Janes Aviation's parade, but can anyone remember an outfit who, nearly 2 months after gaining their AOC had not carried out a single revenue flight?

I really am surprised that no ad hoc work is being sought, nor that they seem at present to even be in a position to seek any from a crewing perspective. It's certainly a new angle on the high fuel cost problem - just don't fly and your fuel costs are zero!

I hope their pockets are deep enough to get through this inactive phase of 'operations'.

are they still alive?

Operations
 

Good morning, yes we are still here.

Work is still going on to secure the necessary contracts to start operations. We have considered the Ad-hoc market, but this is now the wrong time of year (factory shut down's, etc). As we have stated before, the low capital cost of the HS748 means we are not under pressure to fly "at all costs" which would be the position if we had an newer asset, on an expensive lease, sitting on the ground. Believe me, it is all in the plan.

One area we have been trying to get sorted is the question of crew training & TRE's on the HS748. As effectively the only operator of the HS748 in Europe, with only a few operating in Canada & Africa, the lack of a TRTO means we cannot train up new crews for any contracts. We have applied for a TRTO but the CAA have just moved the goalposts so we need to resubmit our manual. Currently we only have 1 TRE which is very limiting so we are looking at additional cover, but again the lack of other JAR OPS operators means there limited numbers of TRE's on the HS748. So if there any HS748 TRE / TRI's out there, please give us a call!

Thank you for your interest in Janes Aviation.

thank you mr andy janes for that information

Mistaken Identity
 

Dada, you are more than welcome, but also completely wrong.

sorry, wrong about what?

Sounds like he's saying he's not AJ.