Whaledriver

Just answer a couple easy questions. 1) How does this merger benefit Polar crewmembers? 2) What operating certificate will the merged pilot group operate under, Polar cert. or the Atlas cert.???

Whaledriver
 

WHALE-I always agree with you. Till now. From what I know from talking to the polar pilots, you would have to put a gun to their heads to get them to work four extra days a month. The polar pilots tell me the whole point of their first strike was to work less days per month. According to what they tell me a line holder only works a max of 16 days. A
reserve line holder 19 days, if extended. These guys laugh at how many days the Atlas pilots are out.

JoeTommy, Thanks for pointing that out to WhaleDriver once again !:ugh::ugh::ugh::mad:

1) I don't have an answer because I don't know the issues at Polar, that a merger may resolve or improve. I'll try. Merged, you would have more choices on basing, where you fly, and when you fly (more patterns, more destinations). The combined contract offers the ability to improve pay, and with a single voice, we may make other gains. No more transferring of planes back and forth. There may be shifting, but we wouldn't care since we would be flying them anyway. More planes and contracts to absorb the downturns in the market, and the different markets, ie, a downturn in one area could be moved to an upturn in another area (military, charter). Your in one area, and just a few cities. An Asia contagion could hurt, where merged, they could increase military bidding, or take on charters, shifting planes where the profit is greater. The growth could be spread out, where Polar's future appears attached to DHL, which, if you hadn't noticed is having issues with USA, ABX and Astar. The DHL plan "may" be to keep Polar as a six airplane airline just servicing the landing rights you hold so dear, and DHL can ACMI the rest to Atlas. Growth on Atlas side, stagnation on Polar's side?

Another advantage would be all the spare time we'd have not giving each other crap on the boards....:D

2) I believe the current plan is under the Atlas cert.

So, you believe that if Polar and the Polar MEC told the Polar pilots (all strong ALPA members, 100% behind their MEC) that it was alright to fly the six new planes, just transfered to their cert, and that Polar needed some short term extra help, they would not have taken it on, even with a very nice bump in income? They would have been told that it was not Atlas's cargo, but China Airlines, so it was not scabbing. I believe in hindsight, they can say they wouldn't have, but I bet the planes would have moved, one way of the other. We'll never know, and neither did our MEC, with less than an hour to decide. BTW, the Polar MEC kept all this to himself, not giving the Atlas MEC any heads up or warning. It was a bombshell. BTW, orchestrated by good ole Cato.

For the more than 10 years I've been at Atlas, I average just less than 14 days a month away from home.

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The fact that there are going to remain two certificates creates other downline issues. 1) Pilots WILL be assigned to either the PO or 5Y certificate.:8 So when you do that, should you choose PO, you will belong to a 6 jet fleet flying the Asian shuffle. If you bid 5Y, you will fly the same 5Y flying as now. 2) What happens when a furlough strikes? If 5Y reduces flying, and the most junior pilots are on the PO cert do you think JC will furlough the Junior pilots and issue a new system bid with countless training events, or are the more senior 5Y pilots going to get the axe?:=

These are more issues to be defined in any SCBA. There really needs to be ALOT of strategy and foresight whether there are separate CBAs or a BSCA, err, SCBA :D

Nope, the plan is to interfly between the certificates. One day flying a Polar flight, next day a Giant flight. Just one big happy family :uhoh:

Can't be done, unless I missed something in the regs....Unless they can figure a way around 121, the 8400.10, and PRIA/Drug Testing, it will only remain a way to give hope to the "merger". Unless there is some exemption that I don't know about. I'm not sure how (if) CAL works it that way. I know no other "holding company" with subsidiaries does it that way, even the ones with "ONE list".:eek: Maybe someone from CAL could let us in on if they DH from IAH to fly micronesia....

WHALE
 

14 days a month, that is great. I wonder what the average is. I wonder what it is for the most junior. I hope our new contract treats everyone equally.

Actually quite do-able. It is done under something called MOCT. Multiple Operating Certificate Training. There is nothing in 121 or 119 that precludes a pilot group being trained to operate two certificates. It only involves having the ops specs, FOMS, and training manuals similar enough. Each certificate has to meet the requirements of pt. 119 and have the systems and manuals in place, but nothing keeps them from having the same operating manual, ops specs, training etc. The PRIA and Drug testing comment is BS as both or either can be accepted by both certificates. You are not being told the whole story. Call Chris and ask him. He knows.

As I said before the airlines have been completely operationally merged already. All of the manuals and procedures are virtually the same as are the senior management, scheduling, payroll, admin, etc etc. The only thing left is the pilots. There is a merged seniority list arbitrated by Harris and hated by all. It is only waiting for Bobb and his group to finish their delaying antics so both groups can get to a merged CBA.

The real advantage to the Polar pilot is that they get to keep a job. Does anyone really think that AAWWH is going to put a 5 Billion dollar 20 year contract in jeopardy for 150 pilots?

It's kind of funny how you "know" all of this. I've been through this process in a previous life, have you? I don't need to call anyone here, because I was involved with this previously. If all you said was correct, how come it hasn't been set up for 5Y guys can't hop out of an Atlas Bird and then fly a GSS bird immediately after? That'd add 3 airplanes and a ton of efficiency, right?

While you are absolutely correct about they can have the "same" manuals, etc. in place. How come it's been over seven years and they don't have the paperwork all ironed out yet? If they did that, it would show in good faith that there was to be a merger.

Yep Three times albeit pt 135 but the procedures are virtually the same.You obviously do need to call someone as your post reflects a real lack of knowledge of how this all works and even about the structure of the holding company. I urge you to Call. Chris is a good guy and will have no problem explaining it too you.
Because GSS is a foreign company and is not wholly owned by AAWWH - once again a lack of knowledge about the holding company that controls your future.

How do you know it is not all "ironed out?" It is all in place and in fact most of the Atlas manuals have been changed to reflect a lot of the combined procedures. The ops specs have both been changed to put them more in line with each other as have other manuals and procedures. This will make the transition easier.

But how do you figure they could put everything in place before the combined group starts flying the airplanes. It just doesn't happen that way. Plus, if you think about it there is no reason to incur the expense to put all the Atlas guys through the retraining required by the MOCT if the Polar guys are going to be gone. The company is waiting for the arbitration rulings just like the rest of us.

As an another example. Every new hire in the recent past has a 6 digit polar employee number.

Pushed on into April
 

Just got word that the arbitration has been pushed into April for the Company's side of their arguments or something like that.

Also have some letters on the back and fourth between Pres. Prater, MEC Chairman Henderson and MEC Chairman Bourne on the arbitration. Kind of looks like the PAC Chairman has been ignoring the ALPA Pres. Curious if that has something to do with the Atlas Battle Stars awards, the Atlas council ADR win on "The Scab Issue" or Pres. Prater / Executive council ordering of the PAC committee to the merger negotiation table with the Atlas Council.

Here

https://crewroom.alpa.org/AAI072/Des...cumentID=41800.

I told you guys its all BS! THERE IS NO MERGER!!!! They just keep pushing things back and back and back and BACK! First it was March, now its April, we've heard this broken record before!

Who is they? The only people delaying the merger process is Polar. The only way we're gonna find out if it's BS or not is to complete the process and see. If it's BS, then we take the combined CBA's and walk into AAWW and start from there, with a united stand between the pilot groups.

The continued delay tactics by Bobb and Robin (not the Polar MEC, mind you, ALPA nor anyone else has heard from the other elected MEMBERS of the Polar MEC in over a year) only feed into the company's plan, if the plan is indeed to fake the merger to the last minute. The sooner we get it done, the sooner we'll know and can move on....pretty simple.

Standing in the corner having a temper tantrum accomplishes nothing....

BTW, which of the arbitrations was extended? I thought it was the FE one, having nothing to do with the merger.

My bad. It is on the FE and downgraded captains one that took place Jan 31 and Feb 1. Now the remainder of that is scheduled for April as I have heard. Didn't get the specific dates yet.

If there is no merger as "Whale Rider" announcement as his MEC, then Atlas management has done a fine job of fooling the Atlas council and ALPA National. Then again, maybe the Polar MEC has done the same with their vision of things to their membership.

Of course the Polar MEC and crews were also convinced that it would be a cold day in He!! before Atlas got Battle Stars, a public apology for Polars actions from ALPA National on "The Scab Issue", and received those two new A/C. So I'm more inclined to put my money on the merger happening despite Polars efforts to delay or stop it.http://cptaudio.com/cgi-bin/p3a/logs.pl

Good post nitty-gritty. The way I read the chain of letters, I pulled the following "executive summary":

Polar wins a grievance, the Atlas supports the win. There is no problem righting the ship. The original 37 individuals affected may not still number 37, but this affect's Atlas' position (I do not have the award, does it read the 37 names, or the 37 positions?). During this time, AAWH, ends the alliance flying by changing it from PO sked service to 5Y sked service. The same holding company makes the profit, but does a paper shuffle with the tags and airbills. 5Y in the mean time recieved work that PO lost. 5Y and PO were 100% owned by the same people at the time, yes?

Now, 5Y and a "controlling" majority of PO are owned by AAWH?

Did I miss anything?

BTW, anyone wonder why Southern and Connie are growing leaps and bounds, and the AAWH fleet is stagnant? One would figure they'd find work for all the old PO birds + the 5Y birds and order more for everyone!!!

OB Light rocks!!:rolleyes:

Just to clarify a few points....

It reads 37 Captain Positions - and it is not an award it is Bobbrobins proposal to the arbitrator.

Doesn't sound to me like Atlas is stagnant - now the scheduled service might be stagnant but the Atlas business model is growing. (see the news item below)

AAWWH (Atlas Air WorldWide Holdings) already owns and will continue to own a "controlling" majority of Polar. That has not changed and will not change until the USDOT regs change.

AAWH has already ended the alliance flying. Atlas is not doing any flying for Polar that is not available to Connie or SATinc. It only makes sense for another partner in the holding company to take up the Polar slack when they have MX issues etc - or would you rather that go away too just to satisfy your anti-Atlas sentiments.


Purchase, NY - February 4,2008 --
Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (AAWW) (Nasdaq: AAWW), a leading provider of global air cargo services, today announced that its subsidiary, Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas), has closed on a $270 million financing facility in connection with pre-delivery deposit payments (PDPs) on five next-generation Boeing 747-8 wide-body freighters scheduled for delivery to the Company between February and July 2010.

Required PDPs on the five aircraft, including amounts already paid, total $311 million, with $202 million scheduled to be paid in 2008. The latter figure represents more than 80% of Atlas’ total 2008 PDP requirements on its firm order for 12 747-8F aircraft. Principal amounts outstanding under the PDP facility are to be repaid in tranches upon delivery of each aircraft to Atlas.

Six 747-8Fs are scheduled to be delivered to Atlas in 2010, with six additional deliveries scheduled in 2011. The 747-8 Freighter will represent the largest and most efficient heavy freighter in the market, providing the lowest ton-mile cost of any freighter alternative. The 12 freighter aircraft, along with options and rights to acquire up to an additional 14, anchor a fleet strategy that focuses on the Company’s customers and reinforces AAWW’s position as the most advanced, most efficient, and most reliable provider of leased freighter aircraft and outsourced air cargo services and solutions.

“We are very pleased to achieve PDP financing for our first 747-8s that complements our launch-customer pricing on the aircraft,” said William J. Flynn, AAWW’s President and Chief Executive Officer. “The financing community has been very receptive to both the Company and the asset. The -8s will represent the most fuel-efficient and cost-effective heavy freighter alternative in the market.”

He added: “In addition to the inherent economic and operating advantages of the -8s, the aircraft financing community also recognizes the relative scarcity value the -8s will have when they enter operation and our first-mover advantage as the only outsource provider with -8s on order. Furthermore, our strong operating performance, balance sheet, and prospects for growth – combined with our premier international customer list and our long-term contractual relationships – leverage the attractiveness of the asset.”

Norddeutsche Landesbank Girozentrale, a leading aircraft financier, underwrote the PDP facility and will serve as the lead bank and facility agent. Funds drawn under the facility will bear interest at Libor plus a margin.

According to Boeing generic assumptions, the 747-8 Freighter is capable of flying a maximum structural payload capacity of 140 metric tons (154 short tons) while offering 16 percent more revenue cargo volume and equivalent range when compared to than the 747-400F. The 747-8 Freighter upholds its predecessor’s legendary efficiency with equivalent trip costs and 16 percent lower ton-mile costs than the 747-400F. The 747-8 Freighter will enjoy the lowest ton-mile costs of any freighter, giving operators unmatched profit potential.

About Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc.:
AAWW is the parent company of Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas) and the majority shareholder of Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. (Polar). Through Atlas and Polar, AAWW operates the world’s largest fleet of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft.

Thanks for the clarification of the proposal. Now, I must take you to task for being a hot-head.

First, and most important, you need to pay better attention to what is written, and not what you want to read.

Second, I'm not anti-Atlas, however YOU are anti-Polar. I want EVERYONE to have successful, stable careers. YOU want Polar pilots to disappear. That's a true shame wishing ill on a fellow professional.

Right now I don't work but 16 days a month. If on RSV, I can be extended to 19. I have no issues bustin' my hump when I'm out. I want to make my company money. Those days INCLUDE travel. Then I'm home. There are airlines without unions, and CBA's that are on the road an equal or lesser amount than Atlas.

It is well-established that AAWH owns 5Y and a "controlling" majority of PO. I never disputed that. What you may have missed was the sarcasm of "controlling" (tone of voice never carries well when typing). Just like Virgin America, Astar, ABX and whoever else has a "minority equity stake" in a US airline, the practical test is independence. What do think would happen if AAWH moved all of the PO flying to, say, CGN and ran Europe routes? Do you think DHL would shrug and say, "Ah vell, vee are only minority owners?" Honestly?

I did see the news item today, thankyou. That's great the first five Ochos PDP's are financed. Now, they claim 5Y put up the money. Is there a secret 5Y account somewhere that AAWH doesn't control? I'm pretty sure the folks in Purchase put the deal together, not the 5Y pilot group.

As far as the stagnant comment, I really needed more detail. I meant the fleet. There's an order for 5 Ochos that got financed today. Those are coming in, what, 2010? They are parking 3 Classics (-3) are looking for 2 -400s (+2) making one less airplane (-1) total. Further, our Dear Leaders in NY say that the intial Ochos are to replace classics. Since PO has 1 classic, and zero (0) in the DHL agreement, I don't think we'd need 5 Ochos to replace our RJ.

Again, the alliance flying....We all know it ended, but what happened to it? Did AAWH just let all those customers jump to Southern, Connie and the Zone? That wouldn't be right. I'll bet they kept the customers, and routes, then as contracts renewed, changed the name from Polar to Atlas allowing them to end the alliance flying. Just a guess.

Hopefully that clears up my positions. If you need more information, just let me know :ok:

Happy Contrails

Ejet
Not anti-Polar at all. Just tired (as are many of us) of getting screwed by the Polar MEC (this one and the past). We could bullet point all of the reasons yet again, but they are many, and have already been covered numerouse times by Merc, as well as myself, and others.

What we are tired of RIGHT NOW, is the delaying tactics of Bobbrobin. Your MEC is costing all of us (Atlas and Polar) a new contract and a pay raise. And the untruths, half truths, and general disinformation posted by most of you on this board, and others, deserves a response.

If you think that makes me a hot-head then so be it. You mention your 16 days a month and your RS days etc etc. Atlas pilots have not even had a chance to get to that point because your MEC has been delaying this whole thing, including the Atlas pilots contract. In some peoples opinion, this could be because Robin made a statement to Cato that he would "never wear an Atlas uniform." If this is true, it is just one more element in the screwing of the Atlas crewmember by an MEC that has admitted it thinks all ACMI carriers are scabs. It sucks that one man's pride is having a such a huge impact on 750 crewmembers at Atlas.

That may be the case now, but it's because of misplaced trust and screw jobs that have now evolved into the current state of affairs. Day one of the purchase, we thought it would be a good mix. Talking to Polaroids, I knew then, they were not happy about being purchased until they heard that the combined group was going to be named Polar. Then I couldn't hear enough of it. Now, the plan being named Atlas, it's gone the other way...interesting.



Yep. just about as much as the PO pilots had in getting the Japan and China landing rights that we have to hear about over, and over and over again.

You guys must think a lot of your contract. AAWW would go to all this trouble just to negate a contract that only has 150 pilots.

They will fly both certficates thru one pilot group, plain and simple. Nowhere have they said otherwise, regardless of what BobbRobin is telling you. He's hanging on for dear life to his 100 hr a month job. We will fly both certs, with one set of manuals. Fly Polar one day. Atlas the next. What is so difficult about that. This plan makes since, your vision of things doesn't. This is where the savings is. Much less DHing and positioning of crews. That is why their doing this in the first place.

Hard won, by your less than three hour stike with a company that knew they were going to either sell you or shut you down in the next year or so....wow.

I find it somewhat two-faced or hypocritical in the recent arbitration involving the Polar FE's furloughs and Capt downgrades.

Those Polar positions were gained at the expense of about 175 Atlas crewmembers and 5 A/C when Atlas crewmembers were in their initial contract negotiations with no section 6 protections. That resulted in management moving those A/C and jobs over to Polar as an exercise in pressuring the Atlas crewmembers to cave during negotiations.

Now Polar seems to deem that all military airlift which was most of the aforementioned flying and A/C as theirs forever since they touched it at one time despite who had it before (at the expense of Atlas crewmembers jobs btw) or competes for it. Now they have the audacity to cry foul when the same happens to them. That nasty Atlas Air ACMI company then starts scheduled service flying Atlas route authorities that Polar enjoyed flying at the expense of more Atlas jobs.

What is the phrase I'm looking for here, is it "Pull the ladder up I got mine"? It looks like that works two ways and it has come full circle.

Personally, I think it would be better to work together and use the best parts of both our contracts merged together into a merged company. That way the company can't play us off each other any more. Then again, we can continue down this road as it exists now and not get anywhere or further downsized depending on which end of the negotiations cycle our sides are on.

Nitty?

It's already too late for either of these groups to get along! Too much has been said here and on the ALPA main board, by T.H. and K.M. It will never work out in the Cockpits. The same thing happened at EverZone in the early 90's.

Please educate yourself where the Military flights come from, ie FedEx ! It is part of a group award and FedEx heads it up.

How come Atlas uses more Polar call signs, than Polar uses Giant ?:=

Gee, thats a tough one. Let's see, Polar planes are fully scheduled hauling scheduled cargo. Atlas is in the ACMI/Charter business. Planes available when other can't. When one of your -400's broke at NRT for two weeks, we covered some of your flying... I still have not seen any Polar call signs elsewhere. BTW, didn't your Atlas colored -400 do some military flying in November/December, leading to the Atlas plane using Polar call sign story?

You don't seriously think that only two Atlas pilots are responsible for ALL the animosity between the two groups do you? How Naive a statement that is. What about D.W. (Mr Scab Announcer himself) who is no longer at Polar? What about M.H. (Capt Vac.) and the myriad of others that were Bobbrobins mouthpiece. What about your former MEC chair who no longer works at Polar - the actors in this soap opera are many and are on both sides. I think if you were to step back and objectively look at things, you would see that the Atlas pilots who post on this board only post in response to Polar untruths, half-truths, and obvious attempts to distort reality.

Actually this is called CRAF flying and the consortium that is called the FedEx group has many members. Perhaps you think (or Bobbrobin think) that this makes them all Polar flights? Do you want to take all the military flying from the rest of the FedEx CRAF airlines too?

I have read the Polar suggested dispute resolution - have you? In that resolution they attempt to tell the arbitrator that ANY military flight should be a Polar flight because Polar used to do military flights. Point of fact is that Polar no longer has the aircraft to do both the military flights and the scheduled service flights they are currently doing. AAWWH made the decision to park the old antiquated MX intensive Polar classics and at one point Polar was given some of the Atlas classics in an attempt to bolster the scheduled service. As I have said before, the more Polar flying that was done the more money the company lost - and it would be even greater in todays fuel economy. So those aircraft are back where they can make some money. And just because at one point Polar had four or five Atlas aircraft Bobbrobin now think they belong to the Polar group? You don't seriously think AAWH would transfer aircraft back from the lucrative ACMI flying over to Polar just so Polar could do the military charters do you?

Point of fact is that the absolute best thing that could happen to the Polar group is to complete this merger. Then both groups would be able to fly ALL the holding company's aircraft on whichever business model is most lucrative at the time.

Because Polar has neither the aircraft nor the pilots to fly anything but their current routes. I would expect to hear SAT or Tradewinds using a Giant call sign before I would expect to hear a fully allocated Polar aircraft on an Atlas Charter. Polar scheduled service is unprofitable enough without taking aircraft off line to do a charter. You obviously need the education - not nitty.

rob,

I've noted the posts on the ALPA national boards of TH and KM. Posting the ADR findings that Polar was wrong and the public apology by Pres. Prater for Polars actions of false charges and creating their scab list. It was required by the ADR findings. It was supposed to be posted on PPrune if they allowed it per the ADR. Also noted that only one currently employed by Polar posted back on the ALPA National boards. An ex-Polar MEC guy saying he didn't do anything and not to blame him. The finding and apology for Polars actions is also shown on the front page of http://www.alpa.org in the lower right side. So I guess ALPA is at fault also if we follow your logic. In a way, they are for their lack of earlier action. Maybe one group needs to reflect on why that finding was ruled on for the Atlas group.

One of the earlier posts addresses the FedEx part. So World, Evergreen, and Atlas who participate under that are all taking work from Polar? When is Polar going to file that grievance?

You didnt do any flying out of NRT whaledriver. Your not even allowed into NRT. Not under a Polar callsign anyway.

I didn't say I did. We were covering the transpacific section of the flying, ANC-ICN. I'm assuming the -200 was bringing stuff from NRT to ICN?

"Atlas uses more Polar call signs, than Polar uses Giant?" . . ."Because Polar has neither the aircraft nor the pilots to fly anything".

Then give those flights Giant call signs. . . otherwise gear up to the bid award, put the furloughed back to work, and give Polar what is Polar's.

Perhaps I too should be allowed to post here under the name of WhaleFR8, perhaps also eat WhaleFR8's meals. After all, what's in a name?. . .specifically a Polar name that has specific labor contract rights attached to it.

L-38, Point well made !

Whalefr8, should write the Spin for Rudy ! Oops, sorry Rudy dropped out.
T.H. & K.M. can spin all they want, but the real Airlines out there know what and who they are. Airlines get confused all the time with Atlas tails, using Polar calls. Good thing they have Gateway, or it might be impossible to get to work.:rolleyes:

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"Atlas uses more Polar call signs, than Polar uses Giant?" . . ."Because Polar has neither the aircraft nor the pilots to fly anything".

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Might be an idea to use the full quote there L38. I said ....anthing but their current routes.

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Then give those flights Giant call signs. . . otherwise gear up to the bid award, put the furloughed back to work, and give Polar what is Polar's.

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Yeah like the pilot groups have ANY sayso in that. BTW what would you say is "Polar's?" NONE of it belongs to either pilot group. And your childish "blame game" towards the Atlas pilot group is remeniscint of 8 year old girls after mommy takes one of their dollies away. That is not the point of this whole thread anyways. Typical of you guys. You have to find someone to blame for the consequences of your poor choices. Atlas pilots are just convenient whipping boys. Atlas pilots would rather you just say thank you - and let us all get on with our job flying flights of the combined business.

I don't believe you have any furloghed Pilots left. Do you?

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Perhaps I too should be allowed to post here under the name of WhaleFR8, perhaps also eat WhaleFR8's meals.

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Do you really need yet another screen name?

Gee, that couldn't be the result of Polar flying two planes in Atlas colors...duhhh.

BTW, I've jump seated many times in the last 18 months and it's NEVER been an issue, no matter how much you fantasize and spin. There is equal disgust for both Polar and Atlas, this being a fine example You post BS and I have to respond.

BS
 

Whale - You do not have to respond to BS any more than anyone else does. Why do you feel that you have to respond?

"I don't believe you have any furloughed Pilots left. Do you?"
Plenty of furloughed labor, FR8 (Polar's FEs), also plenty of Atlas classics flying Polar's AMC.. . . .that is - AMC awards that were bid in the name of Polar, but not intended for Polar to fly - Management misrepresentation? Are you listening Mr. Arbitrator?

"Atlas pilots are just convenient whipping boys"
No, should not be - not any more than the Polar MEC. . . Labor is labor. Atlas pilots are just "pilots", indistinguishable from anyone else.
(except they do this screwy uniform thing with exterior epilates).

FR8, the Atlas usage of Polar calls were happening long before Polar got any airplanes fron Atlas !! SPIN BOY, SPIN ! Right, you jump seat often, HA !:= You want to tell us all, that you jumpseat to work ? Now, that would be illegal when you have Gateway. I bet most of the Major Airlines would love to read the Atlas LOA starting on page 171 of your CBA about Gateway Travel. Saving Atlas all that money from the ticket cost, and loss of revenue to the Major Carriers. A few years back, Everzone almost lost all jumpseats for that same thing. Oops !

Now that was a good post. The word should be spread. After all isn't one of the ALPA member duties is to point out violations?
Me thinks a grievance is in order.

Didn't Kalitta get whacked for a year for doing the same thing?