AvgasDinosaur, perhaps the lesson herein is that we need a sticky permanent thread dedicated to spotting, discussing and learning more about one of the most magnificent aircraft ever built, their colorful history, some of those equaly colourful personalities behind them, and some of the colourful activities they have been involved in.

You are right, any new selfrespecting cargo outfit planning to fly out of Cyprus cant do so overnight!

Please bear with us Mr Mod, we will get there.:)

I'm also following with interest. Not because I'm 1011 crazy (lousy -F in my biased 747 is best opinion ;) ) but because all should learn/beware of what happened to some of the contributors to this thread (2B2S, Earl..)

Having followed this forum for around 10 years now (CR2 is my 2nd handle), I can say that this isn't the first time. 411A (amongst some others) has, over the years, advised caution with such "deals". I will say, that what he wrote here some weeks ago, was prophetic. Use the advanced search function...

AAL: Moderating is a fingertip feeling thingy. No hard and fast rules in terms of what is/isn't relevant. EG: Flight Engineer. They for all intents and purposes don't exist anymore - except on an older -Fs. So, Terms & Endearment or Freight Dogs?

Thank you for that. I shall inform all of my colleagues that they don't exist.

It is always good to be told how things really are by people who don't know.:rolleyes:

CR2 wash your mouth out with soap or the FE Mafiosa will be out looking for you....We still exist on all the classic 747 fr8ers, the L1011 DC10 DC8'sand others hidden by such wonderful Russian names so its certainly here in fr8 dogs thank you.

Guys, you know exactly what I mean. :)

N194AT "Omar Wings" etc
 

Aircraft was moved from Amman down to Aqaba!
Aqaba - King Hussein Int´l Airport (AQJ/OJAQ)

Victorville - Maintenance photos
 

Among others, N163AT & EX(?)102
http://www.staffhirecarib.com/default.asp?id=39

Actually the aircraft was flown from Kano to AQJ a few weeks ago, reason given was there was no room for parking in Amman.
The crew bused back to Amman.
The number given on the web for this Omar wings is +96265679047.
Which is a different number than what Orange air was using.
Still think since they are advertising for FAA crews that this may be connected to them some how.

Globejet: Another Good Tristar Company gone
 

Crews were sent mails today that the Lebanese CAA has pulled the rights to operate for Globejet Airlines located in Beruit Lebanon.
The three remaining aircraft -500's in the process of being sold as we speak.
All the crews have been offered positions with the new owners and company.
This is some bad news for Tristar crews as Globejet was known for paying the crews and also treating each and ever one of us like family.
Even after suffering a 4 million USD loss in South America flying for LAB they still payed the crews.
What is really amazing about this part of the world is that Globejet followed the rules, paid the crews and is faced with this problem by the Lebanese CAA.
But then again you rarely ever find honesty in the middle east, since the westerners handed control of the CAA to the locals all is corrupt there as in most middle eastern operations.
There aircraft were in much better shape and maintained than this last ferry I did to Amman with another company.
Which claims a Lebanese AOC.
Most of us have other jobs now as the market is really strong for 747 and some L-1011 crews.
Really a bad thing when we see a good honest company go down like this.
Many thanks to Globejet as this company will truly be missed.

Sorry to hear that Globejet have now gone.....as you say that does not leave many good companies left in the market place for L1011 crews. Dunno how Luzair are going in Portugal, they took over the 2 Air Luxor aircraft doing ad hoc charter but they were only using Portuguese crews and the pay was in a downward spiral......Good luck to those still looking for work on the L1011

Fergineer you old salt... what are you doing in NZ??? I did my lot with the two-sixteen lot, then BA, then KT, then onto Classics with BA and KA. Now back at Boscombe but shortly going to Qatar on a ground job with Steve P. Hope you're well mate...

JB

L1011 for sale
 

Hi there are 3 tristars that have been converted in victorville USA. Contact a company called SCA they may know who owns them

L1011 Freighters
 

They are owned by the "Belgian" they are just parked at VCV

The "Belgian" collects them as memorabilia!

As far as I can ascertain there are 3 genuine (i.e. STC) -200 Freighter conversions at Victorville c/n 1182, 1193 and 1211 all ex Connie Kallita and British Airways. N number enquiries reveal Wells Fargo Bank of Salt Lake City Utah as the owners.
Hope it helps
Be lucky
David
P.S. Just as a curious enquiry what is a full STC -200F worth these days? Anyone any idea, please

Serves the CEO right, the silly fool.

Tristar in Kavala
 

Sorry if this one has already been mentioned, I tried to follow the thread from the begining but got lost...:ugh:

http://www.eucomairlines.de/prodlist/msn198.html

Cheers

Egli used to be involved with the Confederate Air Force back in the old days. He did rebuild P-51 Mustang wings from scratch, ferried a DH Mosquito from the UK to the US in 1971 (and an Anson I understand), and in 1972 recovered a Hurricane from swamp waters near Gander, Canada. He was also instrumental in getting the CAF their B-29. Add to that the fact that he was the late John Hawke's co- pilot on the B-25 camera ship for the movie "Battle of Britain". As for the A-26, I haven't found out the exact story of ownership. Could be that he was just the "registred owner" in order to maintain N# on the a/c.

T J

Two of the former GlobeJet TriStar's found a new home. Credits go to Skyliner....

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7065/01xtbrkwn8.jpg

From the Skyliner website -

"Kallat Elsaker Air has taken over already two Lockheed TriStar 500 of Libanese GlobeJet which recently decided to finish its business"

Two Tristars with XT- regs pictured at Burkina Faso Ouagadougou (OUA) on 03.12.07 - presumably Hajj-ing??

Link to photo
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/view...av2&picid=4265

Photos of the Tristars
 

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...&TopOfYest=yes
Lets see if these photos work.
Here are the aircraft in question.

Skyliner now has a shot of N194AT (forward fues only visible) at Jeddah with the following caption:

"Bourtuqalieh Air operates this former American Trans Air TriStar, having been ferried in September to Amman, during the Hajj on behalf of Nigerian Med-View Airline. "

Here it is
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/view...av2&picid=4273
Hope it helps.
Be lucky
David

Quote:
"Bourtuqalieh Air operates this former American Trans Air TriStar, having been ferried in September to Amman, during the Hajj on behalf of Nigerian Med-View Airline. "

Wonder when they did the "D Check", Engine AD, Landing Gear overhaul, RAT S/B and all the other stuff it needed?

Cant imagine any FAA pilots touching it!

There are few retired major airline types that are doing it.
Claim that if they don't know about the overdue D check and engine A/D then its not their problem.
Bet they did not operate like this in the USA!
:ugh:

Word on the grapevine is that another TriStar has a slight problem in Douala, specifically 9G-BSM with high vibs on number two and another unspecified problem with number one.
Strangely enough (or maybe not) many of these operators do not embody any type of long term storage program when these airplanes are between 'assignments' and of course on the first couple of flights (or in this case, one) severe problems develop.
High vibes on number two is usually cured with a fan clapper lube and/or trim balance of the fan, but some don't know how to do this either.
What a shame.

This is all too common with these RR engines.
Vibrations over 2.5 both channels and everyone just wants to pull the throttle back when the procedure is to shut it down
Even a caution written in the emergency procedures saying not to reduce the throttle in attempt to reduce vibration when over 2.5.
194 is a perfect example of this.
Even when many sparks were reported coming from the front of number 3 along with high vibs over 2.5 Mughrabi and ground engineers claimed just an indication, no need for the crew to shut it down.
The inner cowl at the attrition lining looked like a ring of fire at night.
The lube had been tried twice already, it needed balancing, but no time for this according to him.
What a winner this one is!
He wont be in business long with thinking like this.
Just goes to show that not only does he cheat the crews on salary, he also cheats the system on operations, D checks engine AD's etc.
The FAA only gave him a ferry permit to operate MIA AMM, no pax.
He tries to use this and say the FAA certified the aircraft.
For some 3rd world countries this might be believable because of the N registration.
Now he thinks no one is watching him and can do as he pleases.
He pulled the same tricks on the 747.
With the Tristar simulator in the UK out of service now due to a fire several weeks ago, just wonder how many of his crews are current, maybe just on paper, like his aircraft.
Hope the Saudi PCA is on his backside soon.

Remember once being asked whilst at the sim if I would mind sitting in as the eng for a foreign company to get all their crews up to date. 5 crews one two hour sim slot......I declined the offer did not want anything to do with it.
Who are the crews that are flying these aircraft, as Earl says where are they getting their checks done. Regard to the other checks, they will be given a paper check and sent on their way. Sad end to a very well loved aircraft.

Earl, have you thought about letting the FAA know about this, sounds to me that this guy is getting out of hand.

Rewfly
Probably too to late now he has moved it onto the Nigerian register :*

What amazes me is the Saudi PCA going round the Jeddah ramp ramp nit picking minor non airworthy defects on some aircraft and letting this cowboy in with major maintenance descepancies !!
Money talks I guess:ugh:

Hopefully I'm not out of order, but you would think with all the "journo's" that troll this website one of them would pick this story up as a very hot story!

I know life is cheap in Africa but this is really amazing in this day & age!

As an African, who has had my run in with the burocracy in Nigeria before, it is difficult to believe that Nigerian CAA which is under international scrutiny after all the spate of crashes in Nigeria not long ago, will allow this timex machine (overdue for D-Check?) to be registered in Nigeria.

This situation is worth following up. If anyone knows, as Got The T Shirt (GTTS) professes, then surely someone or GTTS can provide the registration number.

I am somehow not convinced the Nigerians will register, or has registered this aircraft. Heard early in the week that the guy was desperately shopping around for an AOC and Registration of convenience.

Where's Zazoo and the other Nigerian guy's? Surely they can shed some light. Otherwise please post details of reg change.

Fly safe!

Yours truly was personally told by a senior Nigerian CAA official last year that no L1011 would ever be allowed on the Nigerian civil register.

Of course, money talks, BS walks...:rolleyes:

This is the first I heard of the registration change.
But I do know when we flew this aircraft from MIA that it was overdue a D check and the engine A/D's were not accomplished and a FAA ferry permit was issued.
Mughrabi claimed that he would get all this accomplished in Amman with Joramco.
There was no supporting paperwork when we operated a few days later to Kano and back, this guy is the biggest B/S artist I have ever met.
He again claimed that the D check was accomplished.
When asked about the paperwork he claimed it was not the operating crews concern and all was accomplished.
He stated the FAA and ATA made a mistake in their calculations of the time the D check was due.
Sorry but everyone knows this is 15 months and the engine A/D;s is a very expensive task on these 522;s, thats why they are so cheap now.
I also confirmed this with the ATA maint. and these items had not been accomplished, D checks, engine A/D etc when they parked the aircraft in MIA.
This was after the non payment issue in the hotel.
If he would have paid correctly people would not be questioning this operation.
Still never the less this aircraft should not be in operation unless all is complied with.
Will be in Jeddah in a few days and will provide the registration number if I see the aircraft, will also be pursing past salary issues and talking with the saudi PCA.
But we all know that money talks in Nigeria, not hard to think it is registered there now.
If this can be proved then the Bank of Utah needs to be notified next as they are the registered owners of the aircraft along with the insurance agency.
This guy need s to be shut down permanently.

Earl, dont have to be a prophet to predict that after a few good paying Hajj flights this season will dump the plane somewhere, probably crew also, and the party who will have to carry the cost/loss is going to be the Bank of Utah.

The alleged situation and condition of this aircraft raises serious concerns, irregularities, and probably in conflict with criminal let alone aviation law:

1. Sure Bank of Utah would not have financed if they were aware that the machine was going to be operated outside manufacturers and international aviation laws and requirements. Improbable that the specific bank would have financed an aircraft if it is not going to be operated on the N register in compliance FAA requirements, let alone some dodgy registry of convenience.

2. Does it carry bona fide insurance policies and coverage. No insurance company in the world will insure an expired aircraft that is going to be paraded and operated as an airworthy machine, due to increased risk - in all probability if misled in the process any possible claim will be declined. Effectively it then has no legitimate insurance.

3. Every declaration and application for clearances and overflight permissions are done fraudulently as paperwork is "cooked" and not in order.

Earl, if you should encounter her, advise reg and even post photo. Can imagine that some folks in Nigeria will be very interested.

Ah, sorry, AAL, you are misinformed.

The Utah bank concerned did not finance the airplane.
It was purchased with cash.
What they provided is an Equipment Trust.
With this arrangement, a foreign national (IE: not a US citizen) can own a US registered civil aircraft, which would otherwise not be possible.

AAL "Can imagine that some folks in Nigeria will be very interested"

I would doubt it! Somebody probably got paid there!

The only way this thing will get tripped up is at the Saudi end with a ramp check and the Saudi's having some info as to what to look for!

411A is right about the bank thing!

Old Cessna,
Doubt that there are remotely interested. As long as someone is bringing in the Pilgrims that is all they are worried about. Remember in 2001 we blew an engine as we turned onto the runway, spat bits out the back which broke a couple of runway lights. We shut the engine down and taxied back in. There was hell to play, interviews etc we were kept on the aircraft with all the pax till the initial paperwork was done. They then let us get off and we took the pax and another aircraft to the destination.....all in a crew duty day....not.....The aircraft was then 2 engine ferried under the noses of the Saudis without their permission infact they had said we were not to do it.It was not me that was for sure. We still had to operate into Saudi but there were no problems with the authorities. If they were that concerned they would have done something!!!!!! They will not do any thing that will screw up the Pilgrims end of story,

Did not see Boutuqalieh here in JED tonight.
We operated the last inbound haj flight from Manila, now its outbound starting in a few days.
Only Tristar I seen at the Haj terminal was one of the ex Globejet ones.
Hopefully he is shut down already.

Hi

The user by the name of flytristar in Youtube has posted a video taken from the inside of the Luzair Tristar, in that video you can see the ex-ATA machine parked in Jeddah.

Regards

Camilo