The big merged L1011 thread
 

Anyone heard anything about a new cargo outfit operating out of Cyprus utilising a L1011 freighter?

Send a PM to 411A and ask....

Not expecting 411A being backward in coming forward I was awaiting his infinite wisdom!

Come on 411A where are you?

May be he is trying to set up a new cargo outfit in Cyprus so could be a little busy at present :=

One of my old F/Es flew the L1011F for a few years. He said it was a nice but an overcomplicated aircraft compared to the DC-10.

The biggest drawback was that it ran out of fuel after 5½ hours with a full payload.

Hmmm, Cyprus.

Not heard of that one, however as the market for L10 freighters is cornered by one certain individual, and that specific individual is well known for their rather shady dealings (one of their last aeroplanes was seized in RAK by the police and the crew arrested, as I recall), I would be extremely cautious about this 'new' outfit, whatever its name is.

A very extended barge pole approach might be advised.

In addition, the supply of the particular model of engine used on these airplanes is getting rather thin...you can't put a -500 engine on it without major modification to the number two mount, an engine intermix is limited to 30 calendar days, and fitting -22B's all 'round, while possible, limits ops to a rather significant extent.

Having said this, it might be pulled off on a limited basis, provided the engine AD's are complied with.

There has been significant L1011 interest in the past sixty days for some reason, perhaps it has to do with the lack of supply of other new(er) more fuel efficient types.
The 'ole TriStar, if operated in a reasonable manner, by folks who positively know how, can still provide success in a niche market.
We are developing one now, and with the assistance of the head of marketing from the old Laker group, reasonable success is expected.

Genuine Q from me...

What can a -F L1011 carry? Bit more than a DC8? Based on MZFW...

I assume that the company would be based in Cyprus, rather than the aircraft?
I mean, what does Cyprus export? lemons/other citrus fruits - not expensive enough items for airfreight methinks.
Could there be a Russian connection? They love Cyprus.

There is a certain L1011F sitting at MIA that was damaged in Hurricane
Wilma a couple of years ago. Rumor is an old ATA L1011 was brought in
to provide spare parts for it to make it flyable again. Seeing as how MIA
is well known to be a maintenance repair facility for dodgy airlines all over
the third world, Could this be the aircraft in question?

The L10 freighters (all but one) were converted by Marshal's and can carry 23 pallets on the main deck plus under floor bulk loaded cargo, the total of which cannot exceed 125,000 pounds.
JW411 got it right...max 5.5 hours with a full (weight) load.

125K LBS; so lets say 55T without getting the calculator out. Is that all???

411
While not doubting your superior knowledge:} there is no difference in the engine mount for the number 2 engine with either B2 ( the original -200) engine and the B4 ( -500 engine):):)

The difference is the S duct adapter which is different lentgh for the B4.
The S duct in the aircraft is identical, the difference is the length of the S duct adapter that joins the S duct to the front flange of the engine.
The adapter (about 5 inches long) from a -500 ( and there are a few being broken!:)) bolts onto the S duct in place of the original adapter and viola ! install a B4.
You also need a few Lockheed SB's for legality:=

I believe that a company called Flightspares are handling the Miami Freighter together with the Ex ATA aircraft which would be used to replace parts on the freighter damaged by the hurricane.:ok:

Just for me...

ATA American Trans Air?

Thanks

Afirm...American Trans Air.

CR2

L1011-200F is typically ~56t gross payload, however it is quite good on volume: main deck + belly works out at ~470 cbm, which makes it good for volumetric cargo, ratio is better than DC10-30F or A300F. Still it is not really a loghaul machine but can work all right on a certain routes.

But as it was mentioned above the biggest L1011F issue is doesn't matter what the company name, it is all about one certain individual who controlling most of L1011F (LCD model) fleet. Most people trying to stay away from him.

Cyprus freighter
 

Thanks for the info 411A

There's now about 4 or 5 L1011 freighters available that the "individual" doesn't control.

I heard he's getting out of the market.

Anyway the Cyprus operations are apparently looking for 3 crews and all the other support people.

Stay tuned.

Must be Duane Egli's with new Kyrgyzstan papers and paperwork overhaul.

The last engine A/D on these L-1011's was quite expensive.
I know it grounded 3 of them in Thailand with Thaisky.
2 pax and 1 freighter.
Company could not afford to do them.
Last I heard the aircraft are still sitting on the ramp in BKK.

Earl, they still standing and Thai Sky AOC has been revoked. Their 1011F is a -10 model only 43 tons payload. Everyday passing looks less likely they will fly again. Nobody sees chance to pay the engine AD's - too expensive.

Whats the biggest AD & Mod that needs to be done?

Can the 22B's be replaced by 524B's by some modification?

The Cyprus airplane apparently has had all the Ad's done. Spar & Engines.

This engine A/D was due around the end of August last year on the 522.
From what I read it is due on the 524 by August of this year.
I understand from the old Maint. folks at Thaisky that this was at a cost of 230,000. USD per airplane.
This only ordered the kit from RR and was to give them a 1 year extension for the work to be accomplished.
This may not be good or current information since almost 1 year has passed since they were dealing with this problem.
Perhaps some ground engineers can expand further on this.
I will try to look up the A/D number.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=233419
Here is a link to this that was discussed almost 1 year ago.
Should provide all the needed A/D info, unless RR or the FAA has changed this.
Hope this helps.
It is good to see the old Tristar making a comeback.
I guess with the shortage of wide body aircraft is the reason.

No, Duane still based in RAK

Not wanting to hi-jack thread but as uncertainty about possible aircraft for any ops in Cyprus, might as well ask.

Does anybody know what has become of Duane Egli's outfit?

Last heard standing/grounded at RAK but then he took onboard another L1011-200 ex-Tradewinds (S/N -1201) also backyard conversion to bulkloader belonging to a Russian guy. Think its white with blue and red lines down window line. Last heard this machine was also at RAK but could possibly have positioned to Turkey? - Any info?

Not being able to fly anymore on any decent reg's believe they have all been re-registered In Kyrgyz or Kazak.

If a look on the flytristar website (active aircraft/owners/operators) - it is very unlikely that other or available L1011 freighters still exist that can be used for such a new intended operation out of Cyprus.

Duane
 

Egly is looking for a Tcahd AOC, he move to Fujirah and he lost all his qualify crews. apparently he is buying the L-1011 from Thai Sky.
Still waiting to see his next move:ugh::ugh:

'Tis a pity Duane hasn't contacted the L10 experts (shameless plug for our company here) as we have had a convenient AOC in hand for a couple of months and are about to put a pax model to work shortly...to Europe no less.

Maybe completely unrelated, but enthusiast magazine Scramble reports that registration PH-RST has been reserved for L-1011 c/n 193W-1189 ex N753DA. Quoted owner is "World International Airways."

skyline

Further to me earlier post re "PH-RST" see

http://www.eucomairlines.de/prodlist/msn189.html

skyline

TT-DWE is on a Tristar at Ras Al Khaimah, so it looks like he got one.
Be lucky
David

AAL,

According to Lockheed's records, L-1011 s/n 1201 was "attrited" (scraped) sometime in second half of 2006. This may or may not be true as Lockheed records are only as good as the reporting by the owner/operators. However, the majority of the current L-1011 owner/operators do not have a good track record on reporting things like hours and cycles and aircraft status, to Lockheed.

Traistar freighter
 

Do you know any L-1011 freighter for sale or dry lease?

Could try looking here just click on the "search the listings" link :ok:

Tritar500, only freighter aware of is Thai Sky International -10. Its been standing now for about one year and like most requires some urgent AD upgrades and importantly engine turbine shaft inspections.

The company however is very indecisive about their and aircraft's future one minute wanting lease other to sell - but at unrealistic price.

You can see more about aircraft s/n 193C-1097 on Thai Sky website www.thaiskyairlines.com/main.html or obviously on airliners.net or on the flytristar web pages.

This -10 freighter was flown by now (2006) late Captain Ken Conde and as rumour goes quite a few are interested to lease or buy but concerned about period now on ground and future of such older machine. This was allegedly only dedicated freighter ever manufactured in Lockheed factory before production was halted. (stand 2 be corrected).

AAL
1097 is a Pax aircraft
The old -1 freighter that is with Sky is 1012
The -200 F that was in BKK was 1212. Shown by Lockheed as operated by Skeyeyes but now in UAE grounded:)
1198 is a 200F shown by Lockheed as operated by Freedom Air, whoever they are !!:confused:
Still some freighters in Roswell and California:}

411 I am impressed!

A European L1011 AOC and a EASA registered L1011 !
That is really something from what I have heard lately.

As a matter of sincere interest, can you enlighten us as to how you complied with the axial motion AD which will be applicable to all L1011's by next month.

We are still trying to figure that one out?

Sorry all! - GotTheTShirt is quite correct. Only wanted to point Tritar500 in the direction of the only known for sale/lease L1011 freighter that I am aware of.

Indeed correct - it is s/n 1012 HS-AXF of Thai Sky Airlines formerly Tradewinds International.

Thai-sky tritar
 

My contact told me Duane is trying to make a deal on this aircraft, with a pseudo C-check in Indonesia and flying without the differnt S.B.

Tritar500, those backyard converted bulkloaders all have dubious pseudo C-Checks, are all time-ex, and when purchased originally were out of calender.

Reason why enquired about status and whereabouts of s/n 1201. It was also a pax configured aircraft with backyard conversion to so-called bulkloader without Lockheed STC. It had been parked (stored) at Greensboro way out of calender and simply "returned to service" and now almost 6 years after last C-Check is maquarading as a clean "fresh" aircraft. It was for short periods registered as 9Q-CVN and 5X-AAL but could not even comply with regulatory compliance requirements of DR Congo or Uganda - says much!

When last heard Duane had also taken it on his "books", and this aircraft and Duane's two, was leased to Reem Air of Sharjah but this was probably only another measure of convenience to get cheap unregulated registration from Kyrgyz register - who are not even type-rated to oversee and regulate. No decent respectable AMO is prepared to touch these machines, neither was Gamco in Abu Dhabi - so leaves further serious questions about the authority that was prepared to register and issue C of A's to aircraft with no maintenance contract and support.

What is troublesome about these specific three aircraft (Duane's 2 and sn/1201) is that the otherwise very efficient and first-class authorities of the UAE tolerates and allows them to freely operate in and out of the UAE. These machines, apart from their tech condition, they are a nightmare to operate requiring in excess of 8 - 10 hours to load and as long to off load. Cant see any half respectable airport authority allowing such a turn around time.

Quote from AAL
Which are the other 2 please?
Just how many of these old girls are still earning their jet A1 either legitimately or otherwise, can't be more than 30 still flying I would have thought. Plus others stored in U.S. deserts.
Thanks in anticipation
Be lucky
Dave T.

Egli's two "bulkloaders" -100's, former British Caledonian, were registered on many previous reg's but last on Liberian register A8-AAA (s/n 1101) and A8-AAB (s/n 1093) before going to Kyrgyz register for convenience and to operate under Reem Air, after the EU ban on Ducor World Airways (Liberia).