That one is N306GB S/N: 1138 which is ex Arrow Air. STC cargo conversion.

Got banged up quite a bit in MIA by Hurricane Wilma.

The company is linejet.Not Orange jet.

Another one bites the dust
 

http://www.roswell-record.com/main.a...rticleID=15385
:{ Sad to report.
Be lucky
David

Hey Earl!

As its Friday could it be Lime Jet instead of Orange Jet?:ok:

Lemon Jet may be more in order as this ferry has been delayed several times.
:)

Are they taking the freighter in the package?

Have not heard anything about the freighter, just the one old ATA aircraft, scheduled to move next Tuesday if all goes well.

LineJet should be viewed with some suspicion.
Although the specific airplane is in reasonable shape, the owners of the company have, apparently in the past, stiffed crew members at the end of the contract.
This is an old ploy to get the crew member to complete the flights then the company claims 'poverty' and refuses to pay.
The usual way around this problem is for the specific crew members to insist on the last months pay in advance.
LineJet has, at least with one individual I personally know, recently refused to do this...a bad omen.

In addition, the owners of the airplane have indicated that it will remain on the US register for a prolonged period.
There is nothing wrong with this of course, however for the airplane to be used in commercial service, a detailed lease agreement needs to be entered into with a foreign AOC holder, and so far as I know, this has not been done.
The old days of operating under FAR91D (as it was then known) are long gone.
One can expect that the FAA will watch this airplane quite closely, at least initially.

One good question if anyone knows, since this aircraft is N registered and will remain so for a while, then only FAA license will be allowed?
Also how does this affect the over 60 pilots?
Not really a concern for me but for some it may be.
That sure would cut it down to slim pickens!
Not many of us left and with no initial ground schools left, the only sim in the UK, if you are not a requal then there is no way for anyone to get initial training done.
I have heard that Delta no longer does this and Pan Am in Miami also has stopped.

Not a particular problem as the airplane will not be operated under 14CFR121.
There are quite a few pilots over age sixty operating large turbine-powered US registered aircraft not on a 121 certificate.
If the airplane is leased to a third party, and that party has an AOC allowing over age sixty pilots...'tis OK.

If its operating under FAA regs isn't there a very expensive Engine AD that needs to be completed?

If it retains US registration, then yes, shaft axial motion AD, due now...unless already terminated, of course.
This is why I suspect that the airplane, once it reaches its overseas destination, will revert to a non-US registration.
And, going just slightly further, I also suspect the reason the present owner only wants pilots/engineers with FAA licenses, is simply the fact that many others know the company/individual, and the suspect renumeration issues, whereas US pilots might not.

OK the plot doth thicken!

Orange air was a previous start up. It was being run by Mohsen Mughrabi ex- Star Air Ltd

The new outfit he's started is Line Jet.

As 411A says, it maybe best to get your money upfront.

Quote from oldcessna
Quote from another group posted yesterday
Things are begining to move it would seem.
Be lucky
David

Was due in Amman from Portugal this afternoon.

Maybe I am out of the loop here,
Just spoke with the guy a few minutes ago, everything is on hold.
The plane is still in MIA awaiting TSA clearance for the crew etc, whatever that involves.
It wont depart today, crew is not even in place yet.
Where are all of you getting this info from?
Sure is a lot of interest in this one, is there something we should know?

There was a f/p in the system for it to fly from LPPT to OJAM today. Somebody must have forgotten to take it out if it's not in Portugal yet.

FWIW
Luzair L1011 CS-TMP went from LIS to AMM a couple of days ago.
It went for A check and engine AD accomplishment.
Should have gone back yesterday.

Be interesting to see what Joramco are going to do with N194AT.
No engine AD's, several LLP's expired, missing or non funtional avionics...mmmm

FWIW
Luzair L1011 CS-TMP went from LIS to AMM a couple of days ago.
It went for A check and engine AD accomplishment.
Should have gone back yesterday.

Earl:
Anyone know the length of time involved to do these engine A/D's?
Understood it was a lengthy procedure.

Earl,
To take the engine in the shop and do the mod takes about 8-10 days including test.
However the mod only affects the 02 module so you can put a spare 02 module in the shop and do the AD on the module.
Then you just swop the modified 02 module and they can so in 2-3 days.

I just talked to a buddy in Amman and he says that the Luzair L1011 is still there clearing some snags.

How is your ATA thing going ? My buddy in Amman did not know about it going there.

GTTS

Quote from OldCessna
I would have thought that was why they had sent her to one of the worlds centres of excellence on Tristar rejuvenation.:rolleyes:
Be lucky
David

Air Universal, when they were operating TriStars, were straight forward.
Big bucks for those that kept up with the flow, and the salary was never late, ever.
Orient Air is another, nice folks, paid on time, with a large bonus.
EuroAtlantic is OK as well, so far as I know, always paid on time.
Luzair is the same, so I have been told.
Basem can be a problem, owes lots of folks back salary, which is why he can't find crew at the moment.
The TriStar 'world' is a small one, folks compare notes with regularity, no doubt about it.
Now, we are starting a new operation, funding complete, marketing guy in charge (ex-Laker number two) and I have every reason to believe it will absolutely succeed...especially with the folks I personally know, in charge.
The Tristar has a future in todays market, provided it is marketed correctly, in a niche market, and costs are kept in check.
Lets hope so, anyway.

After all, Lockheed made a superb aeroplane, provided it is maintained correctly.

Saw L1011 TT-DAE c/n 193N-1101 last week in TSN. ( Tianjin/Northern China). Still wearing basic Bcal . Idle on the cargo ramp.
Reg does not leave any room for speculations who is running it !:ok:

TT-DAE is definately same as one earlier reported sighted standing at Ndjamena (Chad) where it seems it is now registered after a short experiment on the Kyrgyzstan registry.

Also recently sighted in Estonia.

TT-DAE, yes there can be no confusion whi its registered to.

Tri-Star pilots?
 

Are there any left looking for work? Globejet never responds to e-mails! Can't really be many current and qualifed and if there are they'll be doing the Hadj for the money. I would love to fly L1011 so pm me won't you!

Heads up Lisbon & Amman
 

Dear All,
N194AT has filed a flight plan. It is scheduled to depart KMIA (Miami Intl) at 19:00 EDT heading for LPPT (Lisboa) for an arrival at 06:29 GMT.

Expected route: VALLY1 VALLY NUCAR A699 SUMRS R514 FLORI R514 BDA NUMBR 3300N
06000W 3300N 05500W 3400N 05000W 3500N 04500W 3600N 04000W 3700N 03500W 3800N
03000W 3900N 02000W GUNTI UZ21 BUSEN BUSE7A.

What time GMT is 1900 EDT please, (I never was good at hard sums and adding up )
Hope it helps,
Be lucky
David

Quote from 411A
Is this the one from Accra?
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1271973/L/
Some details on here http://cargoplusuae.com/
Hope it helps.
Be lucky
David

Actually Avgas it will be closer to 0300 GMT for N194AT
On another note:
Was told the old freighter in Miami is scheduled to be scrapped soon.
Looks in bad shape.

N194AT is not showing anymore in Flight Aware :sad:

It seems it took off, climbed to 33000' but returned back to KMIA:confused:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N194AT
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N.../KMIA/tracklog

Any clue?

Good news and bad news
 

Looks like they found a snag.
Here's wishing dry wings and soft landings for all involved.
Be lucky
David

That would be the one, yes.
It looks like it has found some work, so it might depart Accra, for Abuja shortly, providing all goes according to plan...and, the crews are paid on a weekly basis...weekly, due to the past problems with the owner.

"After all, Lockheed made a superb aeroplane, provided it is maintained correctly."

Agreed, but then it is hard to maintain correctly without adequate OEM support:rolleyes:

A little clarification please
 

Is N194AT the aircraft destined for Cyprus that started this thread?
Quote from OldCessna
I thought that was supposed to be a freight operation. N194AT C/N 1230 is not as far as I am aware a freighter?
Please help me, its been a great journey through this thread I don't want to get lost now.
Thanks in anticipation.
Be lucky
David

ferrydude,

In responce to you comment on OEM support:

I spent over twenty years in L-1011 Product Support, retiring just five years ago. Lockheed still maintaines the L-1011 Customer Support Center where any TriStar operator can obtain technical assistance, spare parts support, service bulletins, ect. Since all the current L-1011 operators have obtained there aircraft used Lockheed charges for these services, first tier operators got technical support and service bulletins free, but the support is there if the operator chooses to partake of it. The real problem is that the majority of the current L-1011 operators are grossly underfunded and would rather not go to Lockheed for their support because of the costs involved.

To show that Lockheed was serious about L-1011 support they are currently in the process of moving the L-1011 Support Center to Marietta, Georgia along with all the support personnel.

Hmm, trying to understand how moving from Greenville, SC to Georgia is indicative of product support seriousness. Me thinks it has more to do with consolidation and cost cutting. Any idea what the number of staff dedicated to L10 product support is?

Lockheed subbed out the spares support off to an outfit in Ohio called Hi-Tech.

They basically have not got a clue about this aircraft. They have about $60m (list price) in L1011 spares but never seem to have the bits currently needed.

As for SB kits etc they are a total waste of time!

There's a few independent spares support companies out there that keep the right bits you need together with wheels, brakes and other "no go" items.

That small group supply the RAF (MOD) and the others with parts and work together to help operators out in a pinch!

I should mention there are a few operators who are CIA (Cash In Advance) due to non payment for AOG parts.

It's a small world and everyone knows who they are!

Avgas
N194AT was purchased from ATA and ferried to MIA. It was taken there to be stripped to repair the L1011F that got damaged by Hurricane Wilma.
That freighter was to be be part of the Cyprus freighter operation.
It now seems that N194AT got sold to someone in Jordan (previously mentioned) who intends to do the HAAJ with it.
The freighter at MIA is still in limbo.
The "Belgian" was involved with the Cyprus thing so its probably got complicated as it usually does with his deals. (I'm sure 411A can enlighten the readers) as to the Belgian outfit!


I thought that was supposed to be a freight operation. N194AT C/N 1230 is not as far as I am aware a freighter?
Please help me, its been a great journey through this thread I don't want to get lost now.
Thanks in anticipation.
Be lucky
David

The "Belgian" was involved with the Cyprus thing so its probably got complicated as it usually does with his deals. (I'm sure 411A can enlighten the readers) as to the Belgian outfit!

Is it Lanta Aviation? I think they also have a TriStar 200F stored at Kavala. A friend of mine made part of the team who made some reactivation works on that aircraft a couple of years ago, but I think they gave up.