Any word on the ATPs yet?

i beleive 2 ATPs are currently at Blackpool

The MRS freighter was positioned up to BLK last week.
Not sure what's covering the MRS route at the moment.
I'd guess there won't be much call for the two Pax machines now though :confused:

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PM me if you're interested

It would be my belief that MOB, whilst doing it in his own unique style, was doing as instructed from higher up. To cut corners, to not spend money etc. and his head has merely rolled in an attempt to get the airline in the air again.

Why do I say this, well back in 1994/95 during a night shift I chatted, for quite some time, with AJ. At that time there were 5 Ops D/O's and that was it and one D/O got the grand sum of GBP1,000.00 per annum extra for doing the crewing, i.e. the airline's crewing dept. ran to a budget of GBP1,000.00 per annum.

AJ couldn't understand why he needed to 'waste' a grand a year for crewing when the airline operated to a regular schedule. Well that really said it all and thereafter MOB rejoined the company, at the time as Ops Director, and I remain under no disillusion regarding what his instruction would have been, 'I don't care how you achieve it but don't spend any money'.

I don't care how unpopular this may make me but 'Good Luck MOB'.

Well said
 

At last someone who has the guts to wish Mob good luck, something which im sure some people will not agree with but as im sure a few people will agree with he cant be as bad as people make out or surely he wouldnt be the Ceo of what has been and im sure will be once again be a sucessfull airline??????

Let's have a look at this.

Took over as CEO (whatever sort of meaningless title it is) of a company that was making money.

A few years later that same company has botched up a new fleet acquisition so badly the banks come in.

A year later, the company has spent so much time worrying about the banks, it has forgotten about the CAA, oops......

A great track record I think you'll agree.

The ability to turn a profitable company into the present mess we see today, is not what I'd call competency, and at the end of the day as the boss it's all your fault.

I'm not going into character assassination again here, it's too easy and even if he were the nicest chap on the planet, the current debacle shows what a bad "leader" he really is.

Part of being a boss is ensuring you have the right tools, people and budget to do the job properly. Even if you have to fight for it from a board or an owner. As the "boss" you should be able to negotiate the necessary resources and you should NEVER let your company destroy itself in the way this has.

say again

think that preety much sums it all up really

And, honestly speaking, who do you believe was pulling the purse strings?

What was the standard phrase again?

oh yes. "We wish you good luck in you're future career"



Life is sweet :)

AJ is probably as much to blame as anyone else, but never having met the chap I can't really comment on his role.

However, No matter how little money was available, there is no excuse for the sort of shenanigans that have been occuring. Emerald has always been penny shy and pound foolish. I couldn't believe the wasteage that went on every day, just because people were chasing their tails.

Add to that the unadulterated lies that were told to everyone. (Oh yes, we have got a dispensation on the use of hire cars before duty........) Then worrying about how much of a budget MOB had seems daft, since even if it'd been 10X whatever it was, then it would have been wasted anyway.

Tight purse strings or not, there was no need for the abuse and utter disregard for people that was shown on a daily basis, that is utterly unforgiveable. There is no justifying it no matter what pressure you are under.

Y'know what, Say Again? You're absolutely correct.

Now can we get down to the job in hand and see if we can't turn this round and have a much better airline out of it all? Could be done with the right management. Could make a shed load (or 748 load) of money if ran correctly. :ok:

Anything on co. email? :E

No nothing on the Co email yet.:confused:

Tight Purse Strings
 

I don't think you'll find a tighter purse than MOL's purse, and look at his outfit!

Doc C

facts?
 

so the mobster.... gone?? how do we know that?
anybody know anything at all that isnt speculation or wishful thinking?
and put your handbags away ladies !!!

MOL operates a fleet of very modern jetliners.

Still In The Dark
 

No. I think the CAA would rather deal with facts, they love the paperwork or lack of it or out of date stuff. They are also mindful of hidden agendas.

The company e-mail to serving Emerald employees is still quiet!

Still waiting. But being a mushroom what do you expect:sad:

I'm an interested observer in all this, who's just happened on this thread today. Can I just recap so that I'm sure I've got the story straight (it's a very long thread!)

1. Emerald lost its AOC last week and all the aircraft are parked up at BLK
2. No-one knows if/when it will be allowed to fly again
3. The company hasn't formally ceased trading and staff have (eventually) been told that they will still be paid
4. However the Mobster has been sacked and AJ is running the show

And, by all accounts, the company email notification (keep people informed) system is sh1te :)

Not quite. As of Sunday last:-

http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fl...ld_airways.htm

Anything more to add from yesterdays post ?

I was hoping to hear the dulcet drones of aircraft tonight .. dont think it's going to happen now ! :{

Heard the ATP in IOM & other aircraft parked away from BLK have been impounded by the relevant airport authorities for non-payment of fees, hence the reason that everything is not at BLK as yet. :uhoh:

The CAA have ordered BLK airport authorities to slap official 'do not use this aircraft' type notices on all JEM a/c a BLK.

BLK are also looking at the lease details of JEMs hangar there.

Not looking good !

As an ex-JEM employee, good luck to all those still there.

Any truth in the rumured MOBs departure ?

I think that may have actually been my point!!

Doc C

:D

:confused: I heard a rumour that MOB was on site today????
Has anyone spoken to KH?
I have also heard of more a/c being impounded

It 'looks' like its going to be Thursday now, but one fleet if not two will be flying by the end of the week.

Looks like the RM may be forced into sticking with them on a reduced basis due to a lack of availability and more importantly suitability, but there will be contracts taken back and then put out to tender as punishment for the whole sorry affair which JEM will just have to accept or loose the whole lot.

There ain't nothing dulcet about the drone of a Dart engine :)

I think it sounds nice
:)

So EI-CGO any more news when staff and spouses will be put out of their misery ? such as which fleet/fleets will be back up and running

MOB is every bit as bad as ex-employees are saying! I've lost count of how many enthusiastic and capable managers, Ops guys, Training Captains, line pilots and rampies that were all eventually crushed by the realisiation that they were dealing with a poorly educated and socially inept jumped-up Loader that was interested only in always being in charge of everything, right down to the airside milk.
Everyone with a choice eventually left. MOB no doubt explaining to AJ that the recently departed was the cause of all the trouble, (But not explaining that he made their function impossible to carry out) but MOB would sort it all out. Those with no choice gave up trying.(Don't they call what MOB suffers from by the syndrome name of Munchausen by Proxy?) AJ is to blame and yes, it's his money that MOB has wasted yet again, but in doing so he screwed up yet another batch of genuine people along the way.
The fallout may continue even if the company manages a restart with less A/c and crews. If MOB has been sacked i am relieved beyond expression and i hope a way forward is found, whatever it is they don't need MOB.

Originally Posted by jethro15
Not quite. As of Sunday last:-
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fl...ld_airways.htm
That's a depressing website, seeing how many of the Sheds are for disposal or being broken for spares.

Any flying happening tonight or tomorrow?

no movement of the blackpool aircraft

all still gagged chocked and locked

lots of non aircraft activity though...lots of hangar clearing going on ?

Its been mentioned several times in this thread that it is unusual for the CAA to pull an airlines AOC like this. Who was the last to lose one this way rather than go bust. Has a UK carrier ever had their AOC suspended and succesfully got it back?
Be lucky
David

MOBP45

Very succinctly put and 100% true.


No-one who has not had the pleasure? of working for him could even begin to imagine what it was like.

Rouald Dahl could not have made him up.

Doc C

It all depends on the precise reasons for pulling the AOC.

After I last left Emerald in 2001 I joined another cargo (and pax) operator and some 10 months into that job we had a situation whereas the crewing department should have consisted of 3 but one was on maternatity leave, the guy who did the crew records and indeed the only one that knew how to enter the info into the machine was indefinately sick thus I was left on my lonesome basically working 12 hours a day and 7 days a week. I was a walking zombie but the overtime at the end of each month was great and management aware of what I was going through allowed me a wide berth.

Anyway, it reached the stage whereas the crew records were some weeks out of date and the Flight Ops Inspector, known less than affectionally as 'Swampy' (the b@stard wouldn't stop digging) decided that unless the crew records were up to date that evening then we wouldn't be flying, he would pull the AOC.

Well it was down to the old fashioned way of doing things, by the time I may have learnt how to use the crew records machine we would have been grounded thus out with the pencil & paper, I got them up to date somewhere around midnight but had reported them up to date to Swampy an hour earlier, OK so I lied, but at least we could operate the night freight.

A matter of some 2 weeks later, late afternoon/early evening, the DFO came to me looking for the OM who had already gone home. The DFO exclaimed 'he's going to pull the AOC, help me Phileas' thus I wandered downstairs with my pencil & papers in hand. Swampy had decided that our crew records were so far out of date that he was pulling the AOC. 'Give me a name' I asked and I proved to him that that person, and another, and another etc. were all up to date allbeit in a pencil & paper format, the little
sh1t didn't know where to put himself!

The moral of this story, well for the afflicted it's taken your mind of more serious matters if only for a few moments and it serves to prove that the Campaign Against Aviation can be mistaken, presumptuous, indeed wrong on occasions.

Good Luck

Having worked? for Emerald for 6 years I think that i might have a few words about the c.e.o.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: (not meant to be funny)i feel for all the staff who are waiting for news but as an ex jem whipping boy all I can say is "dont hold your breath" getting information out of them is difficult to say the least.I know he ops gimp and worked and banged heads with him for a few years and trust me he left when he could take no more of the sh1t.Let me say this twice,emerald went into pax and it placed a huge financial burden on the company all as far as im concerned just to flatter one mans ego.Maybe aj knew what was going on maybe he didnt ,but when one man?makes sure nothing goes on without his approval the word meglamaniac springs to mind.most of the people who still work there do so not because they cant get a job somewhere else its because they care about the people they work with NOT who they work for

Hi all
Commiserations to all concerned.Best thing to do now is make sure the toolbox/flightbag is out of the hangar/flightdeck and safely in the boot of the car and get the CV out and in circulation.Don't just sit there like a dummy waiting for something to turn up.If you haven't been paid, well,get in before the liquidator does:E
regards
TDD

Very well said....

Nearly se7en days on a knife edge!!!
 

When you don't hear any news in this situation, it can't be good...
It's easyer to get a job while you have one, and while you still have one (if you all still do) get a new one!
I don't want to see the end of EA, but when the managment 'aint talking, self preservation has got to kick in.
Everyone I know at Emerald has work Balls out for years to keep the 'show' on the road.
And to what ends?????
To not be told ANYTHING of any USE for nearly SEVEN DAYS!!!!!!!
17 aircraft not in service for nearly a week - what WILL the bank manager say?

To all the great people who are employed at LPL/CVT/BLK/IOM & all the other Emerald posts, I wish you all the best for the future, whatever the out come.

Still In The Dark
 

Checking company e-mail still nothing. Has anyone managed to speak to any Management/opps to see what officially is going on who actually does know. Is MOB really RIP?

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