I would like to think he would end up sitting on his barrow thinking "**** what have I done. If only I had teated at least one person like a human being he might give me a job". :p Trouble is after all these years of being AJ's henchman I doubt he would need another job. "Shut you're mouth, cop my wedge" Remeber that?

Some have been payed a week or so late, and some haven't been payed, from what I can gather.... (I've been payed late, so I've been told, have got to go the bank check). There are two agency's, so there may be delays within each. Both agency's have pulled their men out.
As for the permanent line engineering staff...... they are still non the wiser..... no formal managmet responce as yet!!!!!!!
They have been told to report to work as normal, but for what reason? No aircraft to work on. This would be the ideal time to get ahead with the maintenance program, even if the aircraft might not be flying for the same company.
Only time will tell.... Let's hope next week we will all be a little wiser!!!
But something tells me we it will still be mushroom time.
Keep your chin up boys.... and don't let them keep you hanging, get your CV's out now.....:suspect:

Give it a break
 

For all of you who feel the need to shout about whatever "issues" you have with either Mob or Emerald please spare a thought for those who are currently employed by the company. Everyone knows its an airline which isnt conventionaly run, but those who are inlolved in the day to day running ie ops, crewing and engineering put in all they can to try to keep it afloat. So please keep your opinions to yourselves and try to at least give some support to everyone at Emerald. Wishing you all the best of luck.

Unfortunately I can't see a way back for Emerald from this. The contracts will be gone and unless there is a major change in the management (specifically FOD) then there is no way they'll get their AOC back any time soon.

I imagine the bank is now pulling the strings and I can't see how it won't end up in administration or chopped up to feed their share-holders.

Sounds bleak, but this is no time for false hope.

When was the last time anyone heard of the CAA pulling someones AOC indefinately? Pretty serious stuff and they must have a load of evidence to make this move.
The CAA cover their own ar*e first, so its not something that could be fixed by a bit of tinkering.

Anyone up for a rescue package?

Give the dog a bone....
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/factor200606.pdf:hmm:

About 1992 or so, there was a small outfit called Janes. They operated Heralds and 748s. Collapsed due to financial trouble, but very soon re-emerged as a new company. Most staff re-employed in new venture doing the same job. Is this history about to repeat itself?

I would not describe a geriatric turbo-prop, short haul, freight operation on the close continent as being anywhere near entering the premier league, perhaps to an Emerald worker it may seem like the premier league but it ain't.

One might describe the premier league as a global passenger operation that offers first, business & economy classes utilising a fleet of modern wide bodied jets.

If one thinks Emerald were anywhere near the premier league then one needs to dream on!

Emerald were operating on the close continent as long ago as the early 1990's.

Ops Gimp,
No I didn't miss the point regarding a 4th division manager but if you think that Emerald are, or ever have been, anywhere except in the 4th division, or indeed the Hawker Siddeley conference, then you're the one that's missing the point.

I recall when they picked up a Saturday inbound to NCL and there was the regular Sunday departure from NCL. 'THE CREW WILL NOT OVERNIGHT IN NCL, WE WILL NOT PAY HOTAC' came the order.

Well 2 hire cars NCL/LPL/NCL @ something like GBP25.00 each + GBP35.00 in fuel was more of an expense than 2 hotel rooms at something like GBP30.00 each.

Talk about dealing with idiot's!

Mushroom In the Dark-STILL
 

I am amazed that even now that no-one has bothered from management at any level to inform the crews why the AOC has been pulled? Reference was made in a thread that Emerald had lost their AOC and the staff would be informed the following day. This read as though as it was posted by Emerald Management.

What is the likely time period going to be before we know if jobs are lost, the company may be reborn as suggested in an earlier thread, the AOC is resumed or honestly do we just need to start sending out the CV's.:{

Come on MOB we all know you look at this site. How about telling the Staff whats going on. All crews have company e-mail access. Some news is better than no news.:confused:

Silverhawk,

I certainly hope so!

Phileas Fogg

dealing with idiots..?

too true

look at the adoption of the ATP Emerald could have got the ex british regional ATPS at a price but at least these were already on the british register with all current mods and ready to go.

.....but instead decided to go stateside with a desert rescue of the stored ex united aircraft because apparently it would be cheaper?

turned out going over budget and timescale....more money lost.

The turning point and one of the reasons emerald is where it is today is the poor adoption of the ATP aircraft into the fleet.

Whilst emerald was operating solely the shorts and budgie it was making money.

'but those who are inlolved in the day to day running ie ops, crewing and engineering put in all they can to try to keep it afloat.'

As an outsider looking in, perhaps that was the mistake all you good people made - bailing like hell while it was obvious to all that it was a rotten ship with, by all accounts, a dispicable and incompetent captain, sinking fast. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but perhaps you shoud have taken to the life boats a long time ago and let the ship sink and its captain with it.

Best of luck to all at Emerald.

And to add insult to injury, potentially we're ALL suffering because there are still FPLs in TACT that haven't been CANX and this is surely giving an inaccurate traffic demand picture. There were plans yesterday and there are still some today. Not only has this JEM fiasco hurt physically (ie employees etc), it's also stinging mentally (vis-a-vis TACT expecting flights).

Silverhawk. Althought not related to this topic directly I think you will find there were 2 companies back then. 1 called Janes Aviation and 1 called Janes Aviation (748). Janes operated the Heralds the other (obviously) the 748's. When they stopped operating the Heralds , not for financial reasons as far as I can remember Janes Aviation was wound up but Janes Aviation (748) continued. It was some time later subsequently re-named Emerald but again not for financial reasons.
On a seperate note hope it all works out for those involved.

Doesn't matter what division you want to place Emerald in most of the girls and guys worked bloody hard to try and get the job done in a very difficult situation.
Too many managers came and went (good people) but not a pair of balls between them to stand up to the mob'ster.
The company has one big problem and when he's gone it will be a big weight lifted off the heads of those who remain.
All other problems can be overcome. Good luck guys, hang on in there.

Sure he reads the posts so "DO THE DECENT THING" bye bye "MATE"

Janes aviation was basically wound up to get out of a particularly tight leasing agreement involving the herald aircraft.

i beleive they were leased from a scottish individual or company so therefore came under scottish law...i think even now its ongoing though not 100% sure.

Hello

Even though I haven't been in the freight operations for a long time now I wish you all at Emerald the best of luck.

Who is this Mobster chap? Hope he don't join my airline!!!!
Once again best of luck.

diesel862.

Commenting on this announcement Mick O'Brien (Chief Executive Officer for Emerald) said:
"At long last the Isle of Man has a genuine low-cost airline offering fantastic value-for-money fares. We were the airline that first brought real low fares to the Island in 1996, and we are now back in style with even lower fares than we sold 5 years ago! As with all low fares we strongly advise everyone to book as early as possible."

Thanks Germstone,

diesel862

PS two flight plans for JEM were in CFMU ex EGHH-EGJJ today is this the fault with the flight planning system.

yeah would think its a fault as i am aware that they are only getting one offs to position aircraft into EGNH

Shame.

Well the CAA are not out to get airlines they do offer feedback and assistance, but as so many threads say the top man is not up to it.

diesel862

Would imagine that they are RPL's that have not been cancelled.
Does anybody know if the JEM offices are closed at the moment?

As far as I know the offices have been open all the time and will cotinue to stay open

Anybody know if we are still being paid??:(

As far as I know yes we are being paid. Check your company email

I would assume you're all still being paid. The company has lost it's AOC, not been declared insolvent. (Yet.....)

From what I've been told, the reason for the AOC suspension is because of a lack of crew training, specifically after the 748 over-run incident and the fact that an ops inspector was on a flight when there was a problem and the crew didn't use the manuals to deal with it.
(Probably something that happened so regularily, that everyone knew the drills off by heart without reference to a QRH. If there was one on-board.)

Who's the mobster? Only the biggest t*sser I've ever met (and that really is saying something!) He knows full well who I am, so all I have to say to him is: You can't talk the talk, or walk the walk. Bully boy tactics are a total non-starter, but you were too stupid to realise it. Told you so...

He has a pathelogical hatred of Pprune and used to spend a lot of time trying to find out who posts here. Didn't do him much good in the end though!!

Chin up all, believe me in a few months time, you'll realise this is probably the best thing that ever happened to you. It certainly was for me, despite the ar*e ache at the time.

my lasting impression and memory of the Mob was a total morale boosting session he had with one of the office girls...he reduced her to tears in a very short space of time over something that was mere trivia in the scheme of things.

I thought you C**T

I would like to see you try that on someone who would be willing to defend themselves both verbally and physically if required.

total bully boy though only willing to pick on people he knew he could

Quick question for you Say again?? Why do you take such great satisfaction in this current situation?

The situation is terrible for those who are involved, people can argue about who did this wrong and who did that wrong but at the end of the day all we care about is who/what is going to pay the mortgage.

Baring in mind that you have moved onto greater things please keep thoughts where someone may apprecaite them...

Funnily enough you hardly left here in a blaze of glory yourself did you??? So if you don't mind can you go and rain on someone else's parade.

Much obliged!

Read that.....so ...err....are we still being paid??

Dont know for sure but my guess is that as we ahve not been told otherwise then we still are.

I take no joy from the downfall of Emerald. How could you? There are a lot of very worried people and I have every sympathy for them.

The only thing I'll enjoy is if MOB gets a kick in the ar*e and the show carries on rolling without him, but I very much doubt that'll happen.

I didn't leave under the best of circumstances, but at least I had the balls to stand up for myself and not give in to the enforced mediocrity at JEM. I thought the place was a hole, so I made my feelings clear.
To be honest I hated working there and didn't feel my life was worth risking for people like MOB.

Getting into knackered and usually unservicable a/c, going into poor weather with extremely poor training, no support, exhausted crews, engineers not allowed to buy parts and very harrassed head office staff. It's a miracle there weren't any disasters.
It's a testament to the quality of pilots that you did get home at the end of the day. (I am not being melodramatic, I actually did start to fear getting into some of the machines since you would never know what would go wrong next.)
The final straw for me was being handed a piece of paper from the fleet manager who'd flown the a/c before stating that it'd taken 5 attempts to get the gear down, but not to write it into the techlog as the schedule needed to be kept on track........ The next day I completed my last flight for Emerald.
I wasn't ever going to be put in that situation again. (Yes, the signed note was passed on the the FOI.)
I decided to do something about it and that was to get out whilst I still could.

It was however, refreshing to see the support from all my colleagues at the time......:yuk:
There were some notable exceptions, all of whom have left JEM and gone on to far better things.

So don't preach to me lagerlout. I got out with my record clean, a cheque in my hand and my conscience clear.

When I left over a year ago, the writing was very clearly written on the wall. I have expected this news for a long time and I don't even work there anymore.
What I'm saying on here is no secret, so take the time whilst you aren't working (but continuing to be paid) to go out and find another job. I did it without all the fanfare or tears. Sh*t happens and you just have to deal with it. It isn't pretty or nice and it definately isn't fair, but whinging won't help pay the bills.

Good luck all of you. (except MOB and AJ of course!)

i dont think we are in any position to make any demads about the future of the compay if there is indeed to be a future.

What i do have a problem with is the likes of say again coming on with his two penneth worth... he has not earnt the right to bitch and moan. he was no sooner in the door than he was out of it when he had been figured out.

For those that have done their time i respect all that you have to say, without necessarily agreeing with it and we all apprecaite your support. But say again has not got a leg to to stand on, marched out before he even got wet behind the ears, yet of course he knows emerald best.?????

Like i say he is only here to say i told you so, unfortunately we all stopped listening too him along time ago!

peace out!

I left Emerald, the first time around, on the very best of terms, my time there, pre MOB days, had been thoroughly enjoyable but that time had merely been a stopgap in my career however I left with very happy memories.

The second time around, a number of years later, I was welcomed back with open arms, the first few months went fine but then the idiot of an OM, he that was accused of stealing milk by MOB and he that was more interested in surrounding himself with pretty girlies than running an Ops department, decided to start treating me like a kid and without due respect.

That was when I called it a day and despite the latter 'bad taste in one's mouth, I remain with some fond memories and I for one am not enjoying or indeed relishing the current state of affairs.

Good luck to all.

We Have Contact
 

To all fellow colleagues check your company e-mail.

Yipeeeeeeeee what a great statement well worth waiting 3 days for :yuk:

ta
 

yippeee .... I'll get straight onto it

Yup .. .... but wont it get all the others not working for Emerald now wondering what it said !!!!!!:)

I didn't earn the right!!.......
I'm sorry I'll just stop laughing at that one. How was I "found out"?
I made it very obvious what I thought was going on and what my opinion was. If you can't do that, then I don't want to be part of it. I would never keep silent when there are issues that need addressing. Working in a climate of fear is not what life in this industry is supposed to be about. If things are unsafe, then it is your duty to speak up.
If you don't, then you are as bad as the person who put you in the pooh in the first place.

I earnt the right a thousand times over by going face to face with MOB and sticking to my principles as a professional.

I stayed for a short time (thank god) and was smart enough to realise that an extended stay somewhere like Emerald is actually a detriment to your career rather than a benefit.

The standards at JEM are well known in the industry and other companies take note of this. I myself couldn't believe the difference when I started doing other things. If you actually think that the standards shown in Emerald are acceptable elsewhere, then you've got a shock coming.

LL, I don't think you realise that if the company survives, then you will have to do something about the management. Otherwise this will start again. An employee buyout would be a possibility, but with everyone so fractured this would be very hard to sort out.

"I told you so" is not what I came on here to say, more it was a wish to (try) and offer my ex-colleagues some words of support. If you are too bitter towards me for whatever reason (I cannot imagine why?) to read what I have written properly, then I cannot be held accountable for your misunderstanding.

All I have posted is the truth as I see it. It may be unpalatable, but the reality is even less appealing. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

I really hope it does all work out for everyone, but I can't see it, but even if it goes t*ts up tomorrow, there are lots of jobs in all sectors of the industry at the moment. In 6 months time this will just be something to chalk up to experience.

I hope the e-mail is worth the wait!

company E-mail
 

Errrrrrrrr NO thats why it's on company e-mail. You know the phrase If I told you I'd have to k*ll You:mad: