B-777f?
B-777f?
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Sorry, no inside info, but I doubt if Boeing would push them as "factory built" B777F's. However, after market conversions could be the go.
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raitfaiter, replace or beef up the floor beams, add some kilos of aluminium here and there... and you`re done...! ;-)
A300 conversions are done this way, and AI has been even looking at A330 conversions for quite some time already...
Cheers,
J.V.
A300 conversions are done this way, and AI has been even looking at A330 conversions for quite some time already...
Cheers,
J.V.
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Keep on dreaming chaps and get real.
The B777F will not be converted to a freighter anytime soon, maybe in 6 years, it may be something to think about but don't see Boeing offering the freighter version, nor a conversion programme soon. Why don't you ask them??
The B777F will not be converted to a freighter anytime soon, maybe in 6 years, it may be something to think about but don't see Boeing offering the freighter version, nor a conversion programme soon. Why don't you ask them??
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Check this out!
Taken from Flight International April 22-28, 2003
JUSTIN WASTNAGE / FRANKFURT & PAUL LEWIS / WASHINGTON DC
Manufacturer presents derivative to airlines but is yet to firmly commit
to project
Boeing is again making presentations to airlines about a possible freighter
development of the 777 twinjet, with Lufthansa Cargo (LCAG) acknowledging
interest. EVA Airways of Taiwan is believed to be eyeing a freighter,
but its focus is on the yet-to-fly ultra- long-haul 777-200LR variant.
The US manufacturer has looked several times since the aircraft's entry
into service in 1995 at producing pure cargo as well as "Combi" versions
of the 777, but has held back, saying it would wait until the passenger
aircraft had achieved 15 years of service. There has been a reluctance
to commit to a freighter while sales of the passenger aircraft remain
strong, and because of concern over any knock-on impact on the 747-400
line, which today is largely sustained by freighter sales.
EVA confirms it attended a recent Boeing seminar at which a 777F presentation
was made, but says it is "a brand new idea and it's only being studied
at the moment. We're not making any commitments." Industry sources say
EVA is "enthusiastic" about a freighter version of the 777-200LR. It
already has three passenger versions on order.
LCAG has called on Boeing to market a new-build freighter variant of
the 777 by 2008 to provide an alternative to the proposed Airbus A380F.
The German carrier says a 777 would be a preferred option to replace
its fleet of Boeing MD-11 Freighters and it would like the 777 widebody
to be a contender when it issues its requirements in around 2008.
Airbus has offered LCAG the freighter version of its A380, but the carrier
has few routes that justify the aircraft's 150t load capacity. Jean-Peter
Jansen, LCAG chairman, says the carrier would prefer to have the option
of a 105t-class freighter to replace the MD-11.
"Boeing needs to do something to rival the A380. This is either a stretch
version of the 747-400F or a 777F," he adds.
"The 777F has raised a lot of interest in the industry, mainly because
of its excellent performance data," says Jansen.
Boeing says: "We are doing some customer exploration on this, but we
still do not have a definitive timescale on this study. The recognition
of the popularity of the MD-11 as a freighter gives us a reason to keep
looking at this."
ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY NICHOLAS IONIDES AND GUY NORRIS
Taken from Flight International April 22-28, 2003
JUSTIN WASTNAGE / FRANKFURT & PAUL LEWIS / WASHINGTON DC
Manufacturer presents derivative to airlines but is yet to firmly commit
to project
Boeing is again making presentations to airlines about a possible freighter
development of the 777 twinjet, with Lufthansa Cargo (LCAG) acknowledging
interest. EVA Airways of Taiwan is believed to be eyeing a freighter,
but its focus is on the yet-to-fly ultra- long-haul 777-200LR variant.
The US manufacturer has looked several times since the aircraft's entry
into service in 1995 at producing pure cargo as well as "Combi" versions
of the 777, but has held back, saying it would wait until the passenger
aircraft had achieved 15 years of service. There has been a reluctance
to commit to a freighter while sales of the passenger aircraft remain
strong, and because of concern over any knock-on impact on the 747-400
line, which today is largely sustained by freighter sales.
EVA confirms it attended a recent Boeing seminar at which a 777F presentation
was made, but says it is "a brand new idea and it's only being studied
at the moment. We're not making any commitments." Industry sources say
EVA is "enthusiastic" about a freighter version of the 777-200LR. It
already has three passenger versions on order.
LCAG has called on Boeing to market a new-build freighter variant of
the 777 by 2008 to provide an alternative to the proposed Airbus A380F.
The German carrier says a 777 would be a preferred option to replace
its fleet of Boeing MD-11 Freighters and it would like the 777 widebody
to be a contender when it issues its requirements in around 2008.
Airbus has offered LCAG the freighter version of its A380, but the carrier
has few routes that justify the aircraft's 150t load capacity. Jean-Peter
Jansen, LCAG chairman, says the carrier would prefer to have the option
of a 105t-class freighter to replace the MD-11.
"Boeing needs to do something to rival the A380. This is either a stretch
version of the 747-400F or a 777F," he adds.
"The 777F has raised a lot of interest in the industry, mainly because
of its excellent performance data," says Jansen.
Boeing says: "We are doing some customer exploration on this, but we
still do not have a definitive timescale on this study. The recognition
of the popularity of the MD-11 as a freighter gives us a reason to keep
looking at this."
ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY NICHOLAS IONIDES AND GUY NORRIS
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B777 Freighter type may interest Lufthansa Cargo.
Just read this in Air Cargo News, 02nd May 2003:-
"Lufthansa Cargo is interested in a proposed B777F, chairman Jean-Peter Jansen has confirmed, suggesting it might be a more appropiate acquisition than the A380F.
"The B777 has raised high interest in the industry because its performance data is so good," he insists. "With a payload of 105 tonnes, it would be ideal for what the MD-11F does now"
Jansen predicts that the launch of the B777 might be only a few years away, as B747-400 passenger aircraft become available for conversions and demand for the production of all-cargo models tail off. "The A380 will be here in 2008, and I think Boeing will have to do something," he says.
The Lufthansa Cargo chairman declines to reveal the carrier's exact future freighter strategy, pointing out that its MD-11Fs and B747-200Fs have a lot of service left. But he is lukewarm about the A380, saying it would be "for trunk routes only."
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"Lufthansa Cargo is interested in a proposed B777F, chairman Jean-Peter Jansen has confirmed, suggesting it might be a more appropiate acquisition than the A380F.
"The B777 has raised high interest in the industry because its performance data is so good," he insists. "With a payload of 105 tonnes, it would be ideal for what the MD-11F does now"
Jansen predicts that the launch of the B777 might be only a few years away, as B747-400 passenger aircraft become available for conversions and demand for the production of all-cargo models tail off. "The A380 will be here in 2008, and I think Boeing will have to do something," he says.
The Lufthansa Cargo chairman declines to reveal the carrier's exact future freighter strategy, pointing out that its MD-11Fs and B747-200Fs have a lot of service left. But he is lukewarm about the A380, saying it would be "for trunk routes only."
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Is that because, as I understand it, it only carries palletised cube shaped freight, or could it be the 260 million dollars a pop?
Boeing are not idiots, the Wichita 747-400 freighter conversion line commences on 1/1/2005, you can buy a lot of conversions for that sort of dough!
Boeing are not idiots, the Wichita 747-400 freighter conversion line commences on 1/1/2005, you can buy a lot of conversions for that sort of dough!
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"Boeing says ... the popularity of the MD-11 as a freighter ...."
The 777 doesn't have near the fuselage strength of the Mighty Dog, and thus will require a ground-up redesign a la A330F. It will cost much more as well.
So instead of selling an off-the-shelf freighter, they'll have to launch a whole new program, or convince customers to "upsize" to the 747-400. Incredible foresight.
Just about everyone (expect for some people flying desks!!) - including customers - seems to want a 747 of some sort.
So converted 744Fs would seem to be perfect - albeit the price - but the market is working on that one.
Just about everyone here is shaking their head about the 777-idea, and maybe theyīll even get a "really good price" on 777Fs. Sale price that is...
You just have to make up youre mind if you want to run a package business or/and a real "freight airline".
If it ever happens, letīs just hope the 777F ainīt as "tweaked-out" as the MD11F.
So converted 744Fs would seem to be perfect - albeit the price - but the market is working on that one.
Just about everyone here is shaking their head about the 777-idea, and maybe theyīll even get a "really good price" on 777Fs. Sale price that is...
You just have to make up youre mind if you want to run a package business or/and a real "freight airline".
If it ever happens, letīs just hope the 777F ainīt as "tweaked-out" as the MD11F.
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There is not much change that the current 777 will be converted astheir wing box is to light structurally and cannot be upgraded as they did on A300's (this is from the head hungo of engineering at Boeing) The heavy weight 777 (LR etc) they are currently building could be new build as a freighter but at a new aircraft cost...
The other problem is commonality. With Airbus who are succesfull with their push into the market with the A300 possibly A330 soon and A380 they are establishing a new standard for containers to be used. At an air cargo workshop all desk drivers, beancounters and cargo staff agreed that commonality was paramount... The 777 would have the same problem as there is with the combination of MD11/747 as the are all different...
The answer? don't know..
The other problem is commonality. With Airbus who are succesfull with their push into the market with the A300 possibly A330 soon and A380 they are establishing a new standard for containers to be used. At an air cargo workshop all desk drivers, beancounters and cargo staff agreed that commonality was paramount... The 777 would have the same problem as there is with the combination of MD11/747 as the are all different...
The answer? don't know..
