Atlas Air preparing to Strike
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Atlas Air preparing to Strike
News: On friday last, Atlas Air was informed by the federal mediator that in their opinion, further mediation was pointless, and so arbitration was offered to both parties. If either party turns down the offer of arbitration, a 30 day "cooling off" period would begin, followed by a release to "self help" (read: Strike). Look for a cooling off to begin within the next 10 days, to be followed by a strike of all the Mainline pilots. Let the fun begin
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So the "idiots" at Atlas should just lie prone and let the mgt types put tire tracks on their forehead on the way out of town with the jobs? Hmm. Spoken like a mgt type. I guess a 50% pay cut and no time off would fit your definition of a settlement?
So the "idiots" at Atlas should just lie prone and let the mgt types put tire tracks on their forehead on the way out of town with the jobs? Hmm. Spoken like a mgt type. I guess a 50% pay cut and no time off would fit your definition of a settlement?
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The only date the Atlas pilots chose was the date they began negotiations, about 3 years ago. The timeline that followed was out of their hands. They certainly wanted to bring this to a head before the bottom fell out of the ACMI market. The NMB is driving the bus.
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411a, if business is soooo bad, why is CX bringing all its furloughed (?) freighters back on line? Why has AHK bought/leased all those DHL A300s? Why have KLM ordered 3 new -400Fs? Why is a certain odious character attempting to set up a trash hauling airline from the Philippines using outdated and outmoded aircraft......
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"Mainline Atlas will strike"...... finally some good news!!!!!
Guys be prepared for new positions coming up with Atlas!!!!
Those clowns don't realise that Atlas does NOT need 800 pilots in the States as 90% of their customers are Non-American airlines
Let hope that management will stand strong and start other companies worldwide........
Guys be prepared for new positions coming up with Atlas!!!!
Those clowns don't realise that Atlas does NOT need 800 pilots in the States as 90% of their customers are Non-American airlines
Let hope that management will stand strong and start other companies worldwide........
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Far be it from me to be a union supporter, but 74 world seems to be happy to benefit from the woes of the mainline atlas pilots who worked hard to build the company....careful there 74world, because the same thing could happen to you..if a company is quite willing to bag all it's pilots and replace them with cheaper...why wouldn't they turn around and do it to you....Atlas job...as a scab....boy what a future you have buddy...
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74world, you sound a lot like one of the folks at AACS, nice batch of folks. Looks like they (you?) will soon be required to make a choice, stand up and support your union brethern, or cross the line and pin on that SCAB button, choice is yours mate. I can say that everyone will be watching, including the FAA, which takes a great interest in operations during strike actions, just to make sure no corners are cut. So, 30 days and counting.
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Partyreptile, the choice has already been made.....
Also the FAA doesn't give a **** about who flys!!!!!
The guys from mainline have asked for the last 2 years for AACS and GSS to be shut down, don't be surprise if they don't get any support now from those pilots for their strike!!!
I can't wait for June 28th......................................................
Also the FAA doesn't give a **** about who flys!!!!!
The guys from mainline have asked for the last 2 years for AACS and GSS to be shut down, don't be surprise if they don't get any support now from those pilots for their strike!!!
I can't wait for June 28th......................................................
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I can understand the objection to AACS, but lets look at the objection to GSS. GSS, a European registered air operator using European registered aircraft and pilots with European licenses who have the right to live and work in Europe, flying the ACMI contract for one of Europe's largest airlines. Sounds pretty fair to me! Or do US pilots want a bigger slice of the pie?
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The objection is that "European ownership" and "European control" of GSS are shams (a more politically correct term I've heard in relation to this is "legal fiction"). Atlas came up with the idea. An Atlas vice-president set up the original "UK" company ("Nouvelle Ligne" or something like that) whose name was changed to GSS. Atlas shopped around for a UK partner to become the "principal investor," finding John Porter after at least one other backed out late in the game. Atlas will reap the income of dry-leasing the airplanes to GSS off the top, before risking any market loss (that will be shared 51% by John Porter's group). Anyone who believes that anyone other than Atlas will be calling the shots at GSS has been drinking some funny kool-aid.
GSS is nothing more than Atlas management's plan to continue to line their pockets, regardless of who is hired at pauper's wages or who is furloughed or "made redundant" or who else loses their shirts. Those who are advocates of "UK" or "European" based companies doing UK or European work should object, too.
GSS is nothing more than Atlas management's plan to continue to line their pockets, regardless of who is hired at pauper's wages or who is furloughed or "made redundant" or who else loses their shirts. Those who are advocates of "UK" or "European" based companies doing UK or European work should object, too.
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Hi guys, with the risk of looking stupid or being called thick!!
Ive read and tried to follow whats going on in these companies with interest, but I still dont really understand the situation and various relationships of these companies etc etc
If someone has the time can u pleeezzeee condense the situ so i can understand for myself.
Thanks Dudes
Hogg
Ive read and tried to follow whats going on in these companies with interest, but I still dont really understand the situation and various relationships of these companies etc etc
If someone has the time can u pleeezzeee condense the situ so i can understand for myself.
Thanks Dudes
Hogg
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Atlas Holdings is the plantation owner. Atlas, Polar and AACS all work side by side on the plantation. Since U.S. airlines are strictly controlled as to when they can strike by the NMB (the government), Atlas (only) is shortly going to be free to strike. The fear is that the work will just be shifted over to the other plantation workers, who (I'm afraid) will not be able legally to refuse the work.
I will add, just for a glimmer of hope, that US airlines generally have to go through the entire 30 day cooling off period before signing a contract. Maybe it's to ensure the best possible deal; maybe it's just to maximize the lawyers' fees....
I will add, just for a glimmer of hope, that US airlines generally have to go through the entire 30 day cooling off period before signing a contract. Maybe it's to ensure the best possible deal; maybe it's just to maximize the lawyers' fees....