Metro 111 cargo
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Metro 111 cargo
Noticed on FR24 that BinAir, Aeronova and Flightline (Spanish carrier) operate flights to and from UK at night using the Metro. Are these cargo flights and do they operate as single pilot only??
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Multicrew
AFAIK most countries in EU land require the far/jar23 aircraft to be operated multicrew if flown commercially (for reward) even for cargo ops.
The rules are different through the EU, some countries require it for any turbine acft, others specify the type of operation (commercial flights, commercial being anything which is not private flight, aerial work or instructing).
Spain requires all commercial flights involving cargo or PAX to be operated multicrew, both pilots need to be rated,even VFR flights on a Cessna 172!, the only exception are the scenic flights departing and arriving to the same AD, those can be operated single pilot.
EU land is very heterogeneous in respect to air transport regulations, there is the common rules (former JAA rules, now EASA) and then each country can issue it's own regulations.
The info above is by no means exhaustive, just a vague idea of what is the situation in EU.
If you want to find out the requirements better specify which country you are interested in, and you will probably get a more precise reply.
I know, for example, that under UK regs , at least at some point in time, you could do cargo single pilot, there was a company doing them on a C421, and I happened to meet the pilot at the ATS office when filling a FPL, but I am not familiar with the particular regulations, perhaps somebody from UK or familiar with UK regs will be able to throw some light on the subject.
The rules are different through the EU, some countries require it for any turbine acft, others specify the type of operation (commercial flights, commercial being anything which is not private flight, aerial work or instructing).
Spain requires all commercial flights involving cargo or PAX to be operated multicrew, both pilots need to be rated,even VFR flights on a Cessna 172!, the only exception are the scenic flights departing and arriving to the same AD, those can be operated single pilot.
EU land is very heterogeneous in respect to air transport regulations, there is the common rules (former JAA rules, now EASA) and then each country can issue it's own regulations.
The info above is by no means exhaustive, just a vague idea of what is the situation in EU.
If you want to find out the requirements better specify which country you are interested in, and you will probably get a more precise reply.
I know, for example, that under UK regs , at least at some point in time, you could do cargo single pilot, there was a company doing them on a C421, and I happened to meet the pilot at the ATS office when filling a FPL, but I am not familiar with the particular regulations, perhaps somebody from UK or familiar with UK regs will be able to throw some light on the subject.
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In the US, Metro cargo flights only require 1 pilot. Are the regs different in the EU, or do the airlines choose to run 2 pilots?
More importantly, the duty and rest time regulations are very restrictive regarding single pilot operations. This makes night freight operations with one pilot almost impossible. When I flew express cargo (Metroliner and Cessna 404) we used to call the second pilot "duty time extender"...
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On a G- (UK) registered turboprop/turbine is still mandatory always 2 pilots independently wich type (Kingair, Cessna, etc) or it depends on the flying under AOC/not flying under AOC?
God bless the USA!
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I donīt think so Cobolco. Having another pair of eyes etc is always very handy - it is called insurance if anything happens to go wrong.
By the way if ever Christ came back to this earth (very doubtful) he would of course be and Englishman (well Yorkshireman), be Captain of the England cricket team and open the batting and definitely wouldnīt be keen to go to visit one of the old colonies!
But you probably wouldnīt understand the last sentence - it is called self-deprecation
By the way if ever Christ came back to this earth (very doubtful) he would of course be and Englishman (well Yorkshireman), be Captain of the England cricket team and open the batting and definitely wouldnīt be keen to go to visit one of the old colonies!
But you probably wouldnīt understand the last sentence - it is called self-deprecation
