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rob39 28th Oct 2013 20:15

Metro 111 cargo
 
Noticed on FR24 that BinAir, Aeronova and Flightline (Spanish carrier) operate flights to and from UK at night using the Metro. Are these cargo flights and do they operate as single pilot only??

JennyB 30th Oct 2013 00:07

They are cargo flights, and are operated 2 crew.

Flightline only have Metro 2's though.

Caboclo 30th Oct 2013 07:27

In the US, Metro cargo flights only require 1 pilot. Are the regs different in the EU, or do the airlines choose to run 2 pilots?

LEVC 30th Oct 2013 10:47

Multicrew
 
AFAIK most countries in EU land require the far/jar23 aircraft to be operated multicrew if flown commercially (for reward) even for cargo ops.

The rules are different through the EU, some countries require it for any turbine acft, others specify the type of operation (commercial flights, commercial being anything which is not private flight, aerial work or instructing).

Spain requires all commercial flights involving cargo or PAX to be operated multicrew, both pilots need to be rated,even VFR flights on a Cessna 172!, the only exception are the scenic flights departing and arriving to the same AD, those can be operated single pilot.


EU land is very heterogeneous in respect to air transport regulations, there is the common rules (former JAA rules, now EASA) and then each country can issue it's own regulations.

The info above is by no means exhaustive, just a vague idea of what is the situation in EU.

If you want to find out the requirements better specify which country you are interested in, and you will probably get a more precise reply.

I know, for example, that under UK regs , at least at some point in time, you could do cargo single pilot, there was a company doing them on a C421, and I happened to meet the pilot at the ATS office when filling a FPL, but I am not familiar with the particular regulations, perhaps somebody from UK or familiar with UK regs will be able to throw some light on the subject.

:ok:

what next 30th Oct 2013 13:01


In the US, Metro cargo flights only require 1 pilot. Are the regs different in the EU, or do the airlines choose to run 2 pilots?
There used to be exceptions that allowed single pilot commercial operation of part23 aircraft in Europe as well. But they require lots of recent hours on type that few pilots could meet.

More importantly, the duty and rest time regulations are very restrictive regarding single pilot operations. This makes night freight operations with one pilot almost impossible. When I flew express cargo (Metroliner and Cessna 404) we used to call the second pilot "duty time extender"...

JanetFlight 30th Oct 2013 15:53

On a G- (UK) registered turboprop/turbine is still mandatory always 2 pilots independently wich type (Kingair, Cessna, etc) or it depends on the flying under AOC/not flying under AOC?

Caboclo 31st Oct 2013 01:11

Oh brother! :rolleyes: God bless the USA!

compton3bravo 1st Nov 2013 19:32

I donīt think so Cobolco. Having another pair of eyes etc is always very handy - it is called insurance if anything happens to go wrong.
By the way if ever Christ came back to this earth (very doubtful) he would of course be and Englishman (well Yorkshireman), be Captain of the England cricket team and open the batting and definitely wouldnīt be keen to go to visit one of the old colonies!
But you probably wouldnīt understand the last sentence - it is called self-deprecation:)

Metro man 1st Nov 2013 22:13

Australia allows Metro 3 single pilot ops on freight provided an autopilot is fitted.If no A/P then two crew.


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