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Cargolux NOT taking delivery of new 747-8

Old 23rd Sep 2011, 01:06
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Spot on there. A slight stuff up on my part. Lufty took the first pax version.

Here she is in all her glory.

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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 01:12
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No worries Sas. Having had a long term relationship with Lufthansa Cargo, it came as a bit of a surprise to hear that.

Here's another look at Lufthansa's new ship, the 747-8i

Lufthansa -*Boeing 747-8 First Flight

This is before her final paint......
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 05:01
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That doesn't look like a -8 to me,




Maybe i don't read Flight enough but that looks a lot like a -400 !




Doesn't look long enough or have those chevron thingies on the nacelles.
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 05:10
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Sas just inadvertently posted a picture of a -400 is all. He acknowledged that Lufthansa is the first (airline) 747-8i and that was the point.
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 05:49
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Someone so meticulous in criticizing others knowledge should make sure their own display of that is equally faultless.



That's my point..
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 07:23
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It's not just Cargolux that are upset with the 747-8F it seems....

Atlas cancels three 747-8Fs
Boeing's 747-8 freighter program was dealt another blow Thursday when Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings (AAWH) canceled three of the 12 -8Fs it had on order, citing "lengthy delays and performance considerations"
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 07:48
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Originally Posted by Stilton
Someone so meticulous in criticizing others knowledge should make sure their own display of that is equally faultless.

That's my point..
Ach, away and boil your heid.

That's my point.

As to Atlas now dumping 3 a/c too. It does point to their being an issue with the early aircraft. I'm guessing this is a way trying to get guarantees from Boeing and is more a game of brinkmanship rather than anything else.

Boeing have been getting something of a kicking in recent times. I'll bet Airbus are absolutely loving this...
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 08:46
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Reading the news, it appears Cathay also joined in the game.. Interesting!
Ray, what game are they joining? Ordering -8F's? That's old news, unless you suggesting that Cathay is now joining the game of refusing deliveries. The only thing FlightGlobal mentions is that Cathay is sticking to delivery in October.
Lufty Cargo took the first one.
Flight international or the Lufty inflight magazine if you can be bothered to look...
Say again s l o w l y is confusing several things here. 1) The first Lufthansa pax version hasn't been delivered yet and is due for delivery early next year. 2) They never ordered the -8F. Let's not start confusing the -8F and the -8i. And 3) yes, that posted picture is of a DLH -400 in all her glory, not an -8i!

Could we please stick to the thread which is about refused -8F deliveries?
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 09:30
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Re: Cathey, I did see a headline yesterday, but an article today denies delays:
Cathay: Boeing's Cargolux spat won't slow delivery - MarketWatch
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 12:55
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Reading the news, it appears Cathay also joined in the game.. Interesting!
Ray, what game are they joining? Ordering -8F's? That's old news, unless you suggesting that Cathay is now joining the game of refusing deliveries. The only thing FlightGlobal mentions is that Cathay is sticking to delivery in October. Quote:
Lufty Cargo took the first one.
Quote:
Flight international or the Lufty inflight magazine if you can be bothered to look...
Say again s l o w l y is confusing several things here. 1) The first Lufthansa pax version hasn't been delivered yet and is due for delivery early next year. 2) They never ordered the -8F. Let's not start confusing the -8F and the -8i. And 3) yes, that posted picture is of a DLH -400 in all her glory, not an -8i!

Could we please stick to the thread which is about refused -8F deliveries?



Yes, but apart from all of the above what has he got wrong?
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 15:19
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Rumours are Paine field tower opened one hour early this morning while the 1st Cargolux aircraft had been towed in front of the delivery centre late last evening. A fast and quiet delivery now?
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 18:49
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I believe the Atlas thing had more to do with the first customer for their -8F's, that being GSS/BA.
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 19:59
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The orders were cancelled for performance issues and delays. Are the -8's coming to Atlas going to perform better? With the continuing drop in cargo traffic will the -8 be relevent for other than outsized cargo? The 777 has already shown it can eat the -8's lunch in fuel savings and distance. When I can fly from KIX to MEM at gross Takeoff..... well you get the idea. And don't forget the ancient avionics. Make no mistake there is a market for the -8 (and I am a jumbo lover having over 8000 hours in the queen) but is the market big enough? Only time and the world economy will tell.
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 20:34
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here's some interesting news
Cargolux 747-8F dispute linked to late Qatar 787 deliveries
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 03:53
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Always held the theory myself, no -8f delivery before first 787 is handed over,
So first -8f in lux this weekend and i win my bet of a beer
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Old 30th Sep 2011, 11:35
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"747-8F row linked to GE issues, not Qatar 787s: Sources"

FlightGlobal article.
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Old 1st Oct 2011, 07:58
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good news!

From: Cargolux, Boeing and GE break 747-8F impasse

Boeing, General Electric and Cargolux have resolved a contractual dispute regarding the performance of its first two 747-8 freighters and plans to take delivery on 12 October, pending the approval of the cargo carrier's board of directors.
Akbar Al-Baker, CEO of Qatar Airways, speaking at the delivery of the Middle Eastern carrier's 100th aircraft delivery in Everett, Washington, said the impasse had been resolved between the cargo company and General Electric over a 2.7% fuel burn shortfall in the new jets, whose remarks were confirmed by Boeing.
Qatar Airways holds a 25% stake in Cargolux, and will hold a board meeting on 6 and 7 October to confirm its acceptance of the first two of 12 GEnx-2B-powered aircraft it has on order.
Even with the postponement to 12 October, nearly a month after Cargolux rejected its first two 747-8Fs on 16 September just days before its planned delivery, the Luxembourg-based cargo hauler will very likely retain its launch customer status, receiving its first jumbo freighter ahead of Cathay Pacific Cargo and Atlas Air.
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Old 2nd Oct 2011, 07:22
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Al-Baker on Bloomberg:

"Unfortunately the management of Cargolux did not take the action they should have taken during the process of the aircraft acceptance"......

That's says it all me thinks.......
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Old 2nd Oct 2011, 07:52
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I suspect that Cargolux, with an order for 4 or 5 airplanes, didn't have the clout that al Baker has, with multiple orders for several new airplane types over MANY years, and an option to take much of his business to Airbus...
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Old 2nd Oct 2011, 08:39
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Intruder, as far as I am informed, they placed orders for 13 -8 plus another 13 options. You're right, the result after Al-Baker's intervention might have been impossible if Cargolux were dealing with Boeing on their own.
In a way it is as well a shot in front of the bow for Cargolux management and staff that things might be run a little different in the future.
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