Avient making headlines again
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From: Europe
Acid-drop,
Just in case it was you making this wiki page, I suggest you to reconsider crashed possibly because of tail-strike during take-off roll wording. Airplanes are rarely crashing because of tail-strike as such.
Just in case it was you making this wiki page, I suggest you to reconsider crashed possibly because of tail-strike during take-off roll wording. Airplanes are rarely crashing because of tail-strike as such.
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From: South of the River
Not missing the point
Foxy2600, your rant about the irrelevance of the country of registration is not well made. Statistically, 50 percent of accidents are caused by pilot error, 25 percent by mechanical failure and the rest by a variety of reasons. The accident rate of African cargo operators is amongst the worst in the world. QED pilots of African registered freighters crash more than most.
This is a rumour network for professional aviators, many of whom are affected by these events and therefore speculation and assumption are it's raison d'etre. There are plenty of places to go and read the factual reports of aircraft crashes if that is what you want to see.
As a resident of "Euroland" I expect the regulators to ensure the safe and lawful operation of aircraft in our skies. I have already stated that the most positive outcome of Halifax was forcing MK to get a G- reg and if Avient wish to continue their operations in Europe I hope the politicos will finally see the light and prohibit their "flag of convenience".
CM
This is a rumour network for professional aviators, many of whom are affected by these events and therefore speculation and assumption are it's raison d'etre. There are plenty of places to go and read the factual reports of aircraft crashes if that is what you want to see.
As a resident of "Euroland" I expect the regulators to ensure the safe and lawful operation of aircraft in our skies. I have already stated that the most positive outcome of Halifax was forcing MK to get a G- reg and if Avient wish to continue their operations in Europe I hope the politicos will finally see the light and prohibit their "flag of convenience".
CM
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From: Belgium
Acid-drop,
Just in case it was you making this wiki page, I suggest you to reconsider crashed possibly because of tail-strike during take-off roll wording. Airplanes are rarely crashing because of tail-strike as such.
Just in case it was you making this wiki page, I suggest you to reconsider crashed possibly because of tail-strike during take-off roll wording. Airplanes are rarely crashing because of tail-strike as such.
In fact, if you believe that something is wrong, the best is probably to edit the page and correct it. It would be good for everybody to not jump into conclusion too fast but it's also good to discuss about the possibilities.
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From: Essex
Flag of Convenience
I know for a fact that earlier this year Avient were making moves towards employing more technical personnel and transferring their aircraft to a European register.
This process may well have been affected by the move from Vatry to LGG.
I tell you something I would love to see how they get on attempting to register with the BCAA!
This process may well have been affected by the move from Vatry to LGG.
I tell you something I would love to see how they get on attempting to register with the BCAA!
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From: Asia
Compare the costs of setting up and getting a business going in a first world country vs a third world one.
Third world will give you lower costs, less supervision and lower standards to meet in most areas. Once your business has grown and you need to go legitimate for further expansion, register everything in a first world country and continue on from there.
A few hundred thousand US$ and a beat up 1960/1970s airframe won't get you far in the EU but will probably get you going in Africa.
Third world will give you lower costs, less supervision and lower standards to meet in most areas. Once your business has grown and you need to go legitimate for further expansion, register everything in a first world country and continue on from there.
A few hundred thousand US$ and a beat up 1960/1970s airframe won't get you far in the EU but will probably get you going in Africa.
Top Dog
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From: Close to FACT
From Flightglobal
Investigators analysing CVR and FDR from crashed MD-11F
Investigators have recovered the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder from a Boeing MD-11 freighter that crashed on take-off from Shanghai Pudong airport on 28 November.
"Both recorders have reached Beijing, and they are being analysed," says an official in the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC).
The exterior of the recorders has some damage, he adds.
Cargo carrier Avient Aviation was operating the aircraft, which had seven crew members on board. Three died and the remaining four were hospitalised.
It is still not clear if the aircraft, local registration Z-BAV, was airborne before it crashed. The CAAC had previously only said it skidded off the runway.
"Investigations are still going on in Shanghai and the circumstances are still unclear," says the CAAC official.
The aircraft was operating a charter freight flight and was carrying consumer products such as electrical goods and clothing, says Avient. Chinese media reports say the aircraft was bound for Bishkek, the capital of Kyrgyzstan.
Investigators have recovered the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder from a Boeing MD-11 freighter that crashed on take-off from Shanghai Pudong airport on 28 November.
"Both recorders have reached Beijing, and they are being analysed," says an official in the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC).
The exterior of the recorders has some damage, he adds.
Cargo carrier Avient Aviation was operating the aircraft, which had seven crew members on board. Three died and the remaining four were hospitalised.
It is still not clear if the aircraft, local registration Z-BAV, was airborne before it crashed. The CAAC had previously only said it skidded off the runway.
"Investigations are still going on in Shanghai and the circumstances are still unclear," says the CAAC official.
The aircraft was operating a charter freight flight and was carrying consumer products such as electrical goods and clothing, says Avient. Chinese media reports say the aircraft was bound for Bishkek, the capital of Kyrgyzstan.
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From: Erehwon
It was carrying both if Avient are still following their normal SOP.
The GE is probably the Indonesian lad (hard working, cheerful and knowledgeable guys).
I suspect that the Belgian guy is the LM and am hoping he's not BD.
Whoever they are, can I wish them a speedy recovery - hope they make it home for Christmas.
The GE is probably the Indonesian lad (hard working, cheerful and knowledgeable guys).
I suspect that the Belgian guy is the LM and am hoping he's not BD.
Whoever they are, can I wish them a speedy recovery - hope they make it home for Christmas.
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From: Sussex
There must be some brave Insurance Underwriters out there who are going to cover the risk/liability on this second MD11F for Avient. Understand the claim on the first loss was in the region of $67 million.
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From: South of the River
EU registration
I have no doubt the CAAZ will be making use of the registration fees for Z-BAT to enhance their safety oversight procedures and to make sure there is no repeat of last November's crash.
Is there any move for operators who are based in the EU to be forced either to have EU registration or at the very least EU safety oversight? The subject seems to be debated endlessly but nothing ever happens...
.Is there any move for operators who are based in the EU to be forced either to have EU registration or at the very least EU safety oversight? The subject seems to be debated endlessly but nothing ever happens...