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Situation TNT
Anyone who has some inside information about the situation at TNT at the moment. Are they hiring? Going to in the near future?
I'm intrested in the Long Haul operations...
Thanks in advance
I'm intrested in the Long Haul operations...
Thanks in advance
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From: Middle Earth
From a contact at Air Atlanta, they've been told that they (Air Atlanta) have been awarded with a contract to fly a pair of their A300F's (possibly TF-ELF & TF-ELK) from LGG to EMA and BFS (possibly STN too) for TNT
The two A300's have recently been flying around in the Sandpit but the contract out there has recently ended & thus the aircraft being available for TNT to lease
FC
The two A300's have recently been flying around in the Sandpit but the contract out there has recently ended & thus the aircraft being available for TNT to lease
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From: UK
Good solution for TNT Airways SA management; they have succeeded in parking six very, very expensive and hopelessly under-utilised A300B4s (4 TNT and 2 Panair) in the desert and then replacing them with cheap AAI wet-leases.
No doubt the Belgian Cockpit Association will make their usual ineffectual protests.
No doubt the Belgian Cockpit Association will make their usual ineffectual protests.
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From: Austria
"they have succeeded in parking six very, very expensive and hopelessly under-utilised A300B4s (4 TNT and 2 Panair) in the desert and then replacing them with cheap AAI wet-leases."
I fail to see the "down side" here? TNT are still (more robustly economically) in the flying business, and isn't that the raison d' etre?
I fail to see the "down side" here? TNT are still (more robustly economically) in the flying business, and isn't that the raison d' etre?
Half of the fleet are wet leases but they need planes anyway.Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Belgium
Do you really think they would do anything before the fusion with another big player ?
That rumour is on since ever.
And I'd like to see that an airport like LGG exist in eastern europe, i'm not so sure ...
(very good road net in the middle of europe cargo center, future high speed train connections to other hubs, open 24/7, ...)
They invested recently (less than 2 years ago) to double to hub capacity in LGG, 95 millions euro.
Now, who knows ...
That rumour is on since ever.
And I'd like to see that an airport like LGG exist in eastern europe, i'm not so sure ...
(very good road net in the middle of europe cargo center, future high speed train connections to other hubs, open 24/7, ...)
They invested recently (less than 2 years ago) to double to hub capacity in LGG, 95 millions euro.
Now, who knows ...
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From: Inside
TNT have stopped investing in LGG and whether there will be any in the future is very much an open question.
Several 737 leases will also expire this year and there is a good probability that they will not be renewed but that the work and jobs will be outsourced. Don't be surprised if more jobs are disappearing this year as the company "rightsizes".
Several 737 leases will also expire this year and there is a good probability that they will not be renewed but that the work and jobs will be outsourced. Don't be surprised if more jobs are disappearing this year as the company "rightsizes".
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From: Belgium
They invested 2 years ago and since then it's the crisis, so it's hard to tell what's going on. I guess we have still too much of uncertainty to see new investment, there or anywhere else.
My bet is that nothing is gonna happen before they get bought by some bigger player.
My bet is that nothing is gonna happen before they get bought by some bigger player.
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From: Belgium
Of course, anything can happen.
But in your example, there is 2 important point :
- DHL *had* to leave because of a political decision in Belgium : reducing night flight in BRU
- DHL is now german and they like to work from german soil
But in your example, there is 2 important point :
- DHL *had* to leave because of a political decision in Belgium : reducing night flight in BRU
- DHL is now german and they like to work from german soil
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From: Anywhere
Welcome to aviation
welcome to aviation. There is a lot of rumours in aviation but in the end most of them are not becoming true. I' ve been flying for TNT for years and I can tell you that nobody knows what's going to happen.
Keep moral high enough to fly safely. The future will come anyway and we were not able to do nothing, but accept it. Decisions are made by bean counters and CEO.
Regards!
Keep moral high enough to fly safely. The future will come anyway and we were not able to do nothing, but accept it. Decisions are made by bean counters and CEO.
Regards!
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From: Austria
You have a point. Skystar.
But you need to have at least one eye on what's occurring elsewhere and how your gang is doing relative to the others. In this case, TNT was way ahead of the opposition.
Your gang has, just by dint of those bean counters etc, been pretty savvy about where they fly, and with what, and how often.
It's going to keep your ass in that seat, so just suck it up and get on with it. The business isn't reliant upon the operation, simply vise versa.
Your gang has, just by dint of those bean counters etc, been pretty savvy about where they fly, and with what, and how often.
It's going to keep your ass in that seat, so just suck it up and get on with it. The business isn't reliant upon the operation, simply vise versa.
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From: Inside
I suspect you know little of what is going on at TNT Airways 7HD.
Apparently the last 6 months of decisions was taken in a bit of a panic and now capacity have to be restored by taking on contractors. Not always at a lower rate.
On top of that moral seems to have suffered as crews seems to have been treated as not worthy of trust or even been fed false information in an effort of control.
In any case I have heard many tales of patronizing management and crews who are sick to the back teeth.
The next six months should be interesting.
Apparently the last 6 months of decisions was taken in a bit of a panic and now capacity have to be restored by taking on contractors. Not always at a lower rate.
On top of that moral seems to have suffered as crews seems to have been treated as not worthy of trust or even been fed false information in an effort of control.
In any case I have heard many tales of patronizing management and crews who are sick to the back teeth.
The next six months should be interesting.
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I agree "Outsider". 7HD knows a little more than us. Let's see what going to happen in the next months.
They have put a lot of pressure above pilot's shoulders and now is time for management movement.
Regards!!
They have put a lot of pressure above pilot's shoulders and now is time for management movement.
Regards!!