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Ben, There done That!
Many thousands of hours as an FE, also Paid for my own training, at a prevailing rate of $1.50 an hour in local wages. Getting this job is not easy. But costing a company Millions of dollars is not so cool!
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The company spent well over a million dollars defending themselves in an arbitration they ultimately lost. Had they offered their empolyees something more substantial than summary termination and negotiated a resolution to this issue they wouldn't be in the situation they find themselves in today. They refused to honor a collective bargaining agreement, made no attempt to come to a resolution and then paid a fortune to high priced lawyers instead of seeking a resolution. This doesn't bode well for those who are party to their next CBA.
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Just because J.C.'s name is no longer listed as an official of AAWW doesn't mean he is gone. I understand the phone lines between Purchase and Houston are being kept very busy.
Just because J.C.'s name is no longer listed as an official of AAWW doesn't mean he is gone. I understand the phone lines between Purchase and Houston are being kept very busy.
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You may think it is over, but it is surely not. That is why the FE's have retain a law firm, not only against the company but also against the union. Maybe the IBT should have consulted with the FE's before playing footsie with the company.
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We have heard of the Polar group trying to initiate a DFR against the Teamsters since before the decertification finalized. Verified after the Polar side refused to cough up their accessed funds to their new Teamster representation after decertification of ALPA. The Teamsters side fully expected this and planned for it. Polar leadership threatened it day one after single carrier status was determined by the NMB.
DFR against ALPA was certainly an option for the Atlas group prior to the decertification of ALPA, but we found that it was too costly, lengthy, and uncertain when reviewed thus the opting for decertification. Mostly because even if we won a DFR it would not guarantee continued representation by ALPA of the Atlas crews interests. The Atlas side is still considering suing ALPA for failure on many issues of fair representation to pay for the decertification costs and withheld past representation.
I believe the Polar initiative at a DFR is only riding on the FE issue because it is the only one handy that might work. Not too unlike tossing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks. Most likely just another attempt for your past leadership to grab at power again. Upon initiation of such, I doubt that it will go very far after your initial retained funds are used up. I don't see your fellow employed Polar members voluntarily coughing up their money for your benefit in a DFR.
DFR = Duty of Fair Representation
DFR against ALPA was certainly an option for the Atlas group prior to the decertification of ALPA, but we found that it was too costly, lengthy, and uncertain when reviewed thus the opting for decertification. Mostly because even if we won a DFR it would not guarantee continued representation by ALPA of the Atlas crews interests. The Atlas side is still considering suing ALPA for failure on many issues of fair representation to pay for the decertification costs and withheld past representation.
I believe the Polar initiative at a DFR is only riding on the FE issue because it is the only one handy that might work. Not too unlike tossing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks. Most likely just another attempt for your past leadership to grab at power again. Upon initiation of such, I doubt that it will go very far after your initial retained funds are used up. I don't see your fellow employed Polar members voluntarily coughing up their money for your benefit in a DFR.
DFR = Duty of Fair Representation
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"I believe the Polar initiative at a DFR is only riding on the FE issue because it is the only one handy that might work . . . Most likely just another attempt for your past leadership to grab at power"
"I don't see your fellow employed members voluntarily coughing up their money for your benefit in a DFR"
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Get a Life!
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"Just because J.C.'s name is no longer listed as an official of AAWW doesn't mean he is gone. I understand the phone lines between Purchase and Houston are being kept very busy".
You are really off the wall with this one, and you have posted some real doosies. You keep smoking that stuff and you will flunk your next piss test.
Or maybe you are working for the phone company now and that is how you have the inside poop on these alleged phone calls.
Give me and the rest of us a break will ya
"Just because J.C.'s name is no longer listed as an official of AAWW doesn't mean he is gone. I understand the phone lines between Purchase and Houston are being kept very busy".
You are really off the wall with this one, and you have posted some real doosies. You keep smoking that stuff and you will flunk your next piss test.
Or maybe you are working for the phone company now and that is how you have the inside poop on these alleged phone calls.
Give me and the rest of us a break will ya
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I do believe that under ALPA the Polar leadership at the time walked away from a (very good) deal for their FE's worth significantly more money (double the current).
Sadly, the last "best" offer from the company is 6 months (I think, perhaps, maybe) that was increased from the 2nd offer of only 3 months which was tendered to Polar under the watch of ALPA. Then, after they walked away from the first offer IBT was able to double it, Since IBT was not in a position to represent Polar at the time of the first deal and a DFR against ALPA is beyond the time limit they are SOL in respect to any DFR.
The Previous leadership under ALPA shot the FE's in back, if a DFR is filed (it won't) then much of that will come to light and a few Polar guys had better be running for the hills.
Sadly, the last "best" offer from the company is 6 months (I think, perhaps, maybe) that was increased from the 2nd offer of only 3 months which was tendered to Polar under the watch of ALPA. Then, after they walked away from the first offer IBT was able to double it, Since IBT was not in a position to represent Polar at the time of the first deal and a DFR against ALPA is beyond the time limit they are SOL in respect to any DFR.
The Previous leadership under ALPA shot the FE's in back, if a DFR is filed (it won't) then much of that will come to light and a few Polar guys had better be running for the hills.
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I just can't let this last post go without comment. ALPA did not show an offer to the FE's, in fact our bottom line so to speak was 1 year and the company did not approach that. But that is not the point here. The International Brotherhood of Traitors made an agreement with their cohorts at the company without so much as a telephone call to the FEs. We have one person representing us, Bob Kirchner, who Gleason promised to consult prior to making any agreement and that was not done. That is the point. Now a separate law firm has been secured and they believe we have a very good case. Whether we do or not will only come out after we file the arbitration in Federal Court. If only Gleason and the boys had the courtesy of contacting the FE group this may not have even come to pass. They knew we had the bottom line of 1 year but decided to not rock the boat for Bourne and settled for much less than we asked. That is representation? Not in my book.
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It was highly speculated by some, that J /C was fired (first year anniversary next week) so that AAWW management could distance themselves from him and criminal racketeering charges - in that J/C had privately worked with Bourne so as to orchestrate managements desire to change Labor representation from ALPA to the IBT.
Anyone actually know why J/C was fired /let go, or where he is today? J/C had loved his job.
Anyone actually know why J/C was fired /let go, or where he is today? J/C had loved his job.
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Google James Cato and you will find he has an aviation consulant business. Then take a look at his client list. Three guesses who is on it.
He also tired to get on with Continental. Fortunaltely they were way to smart and said no thanks.
He also tired to get on with Continental. Fortunaltely they were way to smart and said no thanks.
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"Google James Cato and you will find he has an aviation consulant business. Then take a look at his client list. Three guesses who is on it.
He also tired to get on with Continental. Fortunaltely they were way to smart and said no thanks".
So you believe everything you read eh? I have some dry land 50 miles West of MIA I want to sell at a good price. Also a bridge in England if you still have any $$ left.
Sheshh.
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"Google James Cato and you will find he has an aviation consulant business. Then take a look at his client list. Three guesses who is on it.
He also tired to get on with Continental. Fortunaltely they were way to smart and said no thanks".
So you believe everything you read eh? I have some dry land 50 miles West of MIA I want to sell at a good price. Also a bridge in England if you still have any $$ left.
Sheshh.
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"3pointlanding
It's his web site, not mine. And when it comes to Cato or Bourne, athough I may not believe it all, with those two, anything is possible".
Actually, If you look into it further, Cato, Bourne, Rick Shuyler, Frank Lorenzo and Frank Borman all have a big stake in Harbenger Holdings as an LLC. Their soul purpose is to screw over the Atlas and Polar crews.
Keep smoking the good stuff, maybe you can make it a 9 point!
FR8
It's his web site, not mine. And when it comes to Cato or Bourne, athough I may not believe it all, with those two, anything is possible".
Actually, If you look into it further, Cato, Bourne, Rick Shuyler, Frank Lorenzo and Frank Borman all have a big stake in Harbenger Holdings as an LLC. Their soul purpose is to screw over the Atlas and Polar crews.
Keep smoking the good stuff, maybe you can make it a 9 point!
FR8