Polar/Atlas The Saga Continues
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We're hearing low level rumblings that the Harris decision is out. I could be wrong on which Arbitrator, there's so many. The one that's out is the transfer of aircraft to Polar and being made whole, moneywise.
We're hearing no transfer of aircraft, but no info on if there's a monetary award in it. This could be one where both sides declare victory(again). AAWH doesn't have to transfer planes, but Polaroids get cash. We'll see.
We're hearing no transfer of aircraft, but no info on if there's a monetary award in it. This could be one where both sides declare victory(again). AAWH doesn't have to transfer planes, but Polaroids get cash. We'll see.
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We have received a complaint from and individual who states that he has been subjected to slander in this thread. He probably has a point - although some have already been removed.
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I stand corrected, it was the Holden arbitration that was decided. Basically, he decided in favor of the company, but will review his decision depending on the findings of another arbitration, in the works, one of many.
This was the one looking to get some Captains their seat back, not just the captains pay, which they were receiving, and was looking for $5.2 million in compensation.
This was the one looking to get some Captains their seat back, not just the captains pay, which they were receiving, and was looking for $5.2 million in compensation.
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Hey vac. How's it going. I am wondering how Whale knows all about an arbitrators decision when our own MEC doesn't.
Is the high price of fuel hurting the company yet? The reason I asked is another carrier just bit the dust and many suppliers are demanding cash before fueling.
Is the high price of fuel hurting the company yet? The reason I asked is another carrier just bit the dust and many suppliers are demanding cash before fueling.
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This is a rumor board . . . reveal sources? Respectable inputs considered, even Whale at times has proven credible.
Makes sense that small fleet Tradewinds and M&K had a foot on the banana peel. Operationally larger Polar /Atlas should be a wee bit higher on the Grimm Reaper's pecking order. . . . . What airline today is not hurt by fuel costs?
Makes sense that small fleet Tradewinds and M&K had a foot on the banana peel. Operationally larger Polar /Atlas should be a wee bit higher on the Grimm Reaper's pecking order. . . . . What airline today is not hurt by fuel costs?
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Of course you are right on the pecking order but it is going come to a point when customers are going to ask "Why ship by air". I was just wondering if that is happening yet.
Of course you are right on the pecking order but it is going come to a point when customers are going to ask "Why ship by air". I was just wondering if that is happening yet.
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Whaledriver,
I don't know if I am misreading your statement but the downgraded Captains are not currently getting paid as Captains. The company paid them for awhile and then decided to stop. I understand that this misery and hardship endured by some Polar guys might be enjoyed by some people, however, I think both groups need to be on the same page with this one. It seems to me that they should get paid for what they deserve. If this happened at Atlas I would feel the same way. I guess though at Polar we don't get profit sharing so we wouldn't take it as personal when the company is forced to pay what it promised. Everyone is screwing everyone and the worker bees are really the only ones who lose. It is amazing that 3 or 4 executives can manipulate 6-7 hundred pilots who think they are smarter than everone. I sometimes feel like we are all in some pow camp surrounded by 3 guards but too weak to stand together and fight. I guess the problem with that senario is that some people are fooled into thinking that the guards are looking out for them. Anyway, time to go with one last thought. Sometimes I get the feeling that certain people who post on this board really like to take the company position. That is scary. Remember why you have a union in the first place, the company cannot be trusted to act in your best interest.
I don't know if I am misreading your statement but the downgraded Captains are not currently getting paid as Captains. The company paid them for awhile and then decided to stop. I understand that this misery and hardship endured by some Polar guys might be enjoyed by some people, however, I think both groups need to be on the same page with this one. It seems to me that they should get paid for what they deserve. If this happened at Atlas I would feel the same way. I guess though at Polar we don't get profit sharing so we wouldn't take it as personal when the company is forced to pay what it promised. Everyone is screwing everyone and the worker bees are really the only ones who lose. It is amazing that 3 or 4 executives can manipulate 6-7 hundred pilots who think they are smarter than everone. I sometimes feel like we are all in some pow camp surrounded by 3 guards but too weak to stand together and fight. I guess the problem with that senario is that some people are fooled into thinking that the guards are looking out for them. Anyway, time to go with one last thought. Sometimes I get the feeling that certain people who post on this board really like to take the company position. That is scary. Remember why you have a union in the first place, the company cannot be trusted to act in your best interest.
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Originally Posted by dumbdumb
If it's being reported all throughout Atlas, why don't you quote your source with a posting here?
I think the bigger question is, "why isn't your leadership not sharing the info to your membership?" Think about that and that same regularly repeated behavior of your MEC.
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I don't know if I am misreading your statement but the downgraded Captains are not currently getting paid as Captains.
This was the one looking to get some Captains their seat back, not just the captains pay, which they were receiving,
As to you not being notifed, talk to your MEC. They may be waiting for the lawyers to review it, but it's pretty clear and in plain english.
Atlas CM's got a copy emailed to them on Tuesday from the Atlas MEC.
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Why should the Atlas MEC get anything about a Polar grievance. It isn't their business. Easy answer, they are in the pocket of AAWWH management
I'm positive the Polar MEC was told at the same time as the company, with respect to the arbitrator letting the major players know the result, but the Polar MEC has ALWAYS been a little slow getting it to the masses.