ASTAR Airlines Race to the Bottom
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Nobody is crying here. I'm just stating a fact as I know it. Sorry you can't carry on a conversation without tossing out insults.
ABXA began flying Trans-cons flights in the service of DHL only after, at the request of ABXA mgt, 1224 jiggered their contract to allow such.
Maybe Trix is right in one respect. This gem from her earlier in this thread:
"One more thing - just an observation - but usually when someone is guilty of something or they are trying to hide something they are very quick to jump into "defensive" mode."
ABXA began flying Trans-cons flights in the service of DHL only after, at the request of ABXA mgt, 1224 jiggered their contract to allow such.
Maybe Trix is right in one respect. This gem from her earlier in this thread:
"One more thing - just an observation - but usually when someone is guilty of something or they are trying to hide something they are very quick to jump into "defensive" mode."
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Jiggered?
One more time BDrvr,
ABX pilot's did not change or "jitter" their contract to take the 1 transcon flight formerly flown by Astar Air Cargo. In fact, let me make a proposal to you Bdrvr; you guys take the transcon back and you guys park the same number of aircarft ABX has parked since the integration and we promise to park the number of aircraft Astar parked. If I am not mistaken count is around ABX minus 28 a/c, Astar minus 2-4 a/c. You guys are no longer flying the JFK-BRU flight, who is now flying that flight, it certainly isn't ABX.
ABX pilot's did not change or "jitter" their contract to take the 1 transcon flight formerly flown by Astar Air Cargo. In fact, let me make a proposal to you Bdrvr; you guys take the transcon back and you guys park the same number of aircarft ABX has parked since the integration and we promise to park the number of aircraft Astar parked. If I am not mistaken count is around ABX minus 28 a/c, Astar minus 2-4 a/c. You guys are no longer flying the JFK-BRU flight, who is now flying that flight, it certainly isn't ABX.
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I thought FI had already flogged the Transcon issue to death and buried the corpse.
We did fly Transcon but ABXA can do it cheaper - which is why they now fly Transcon instead. I also initially believed that 1224 amended their CBA to allow such flying but it's established that they didn't - so, end of story.
And no Ms Trix - I'm not about to compete in a race to the bottom which has a prize of 767 airframes for ASTAR and no QOL for myself. In fact, it was a deal which interested very few.
We did fly Transcon but ABXA can do it cheaper - which is why they now fly Transcon instead. I also initially believed that 1224 amended their CBA to allow such flying but it's established that they didn't - so, end of story.
And no Ms Trix - I'm not about to compete in a race to the bottom which has a prize of 767 airframes for ASTAR and no QOL for myself. In fact, it was a deal which interested very few.
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It is very sad, yet it is true but just as the Astar group, e
very pilot group since 1980's have down graded our profession and taken us down to just bus driver status. It is sad but ALPA, Teamster and all other smaller Unions have as much fault as the pilots for not united us into one group to content with. I invite everyone to take a day next month and all of us call in sick on the same day as protest for the abuse and rapes that we have being getting for the past 28 years, yet I will bet not one single pilot would do such thing because everyone is about him/herself. There have never being any Unity or will be any unity among pilots. We are all prostitude of the profession.
very pilot group since 1980's have down graded our profession and taken us down to just bus driver status. It is sad but ALPA, Teamster and all other smaller Unions have as much fault as the pilots for not united us into one group to content with. I invite everyone to take a day next month and all of us call in sick on the same day as protest for the abuse and rapes that we have being getting for the past 28 years, yet I will bet not one single pilot would do such thing because everyone is about him/herself. There have never being any Unity or will be any unity among pilots. We are all prostitude of the profession.
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Wrong ! ! !
"It is very sad, yet it is true but just as the Astar group, every pilot group since 1980's have down graded our profession..."
The Astar pilot group DID NOT agree to a B-Scale substandard pay rate for widebody flying. The matter never even made it to the pilots to vote on because the decision was made, and rightly so, by the MEC. Therefore no "down grade of our profession" on our part.
I have to agree with you on the lack of over all unity in our profession. The only thing that might correct that is if there was a Master Seniority List (what a can of worms that would be) and true pattern bargaining like the UAW does it.
The Astar pilot group DID NOT agree to a B-Scale substandard pay rate for widebody flying. The matter never even made it to the pilots to vote on because the decision was made, and rightly so, by the MEC. Therefore no "down grade of our profession" on our part.
I have to agree with you on the lack of over all unity in our profession. The only thing that might correct that is if there was a Master Seniority List (what a can of worms that would be) and true pattern bargaining like the UAW does it.
