DHL/LH to use B777
Those figures are bebore or after tax???
Today, I have received an email from Aerologic.
My main concern is about taxes.
Because it nothing says about it.
Only Annual Salary figures. They only mentioned free taxes for the perdiem. So I am guessing those Annual Salaries are before taxes.
They also not say a clue about pension, medical, etc.
If it is before tax my figures are:
average annual salary for FOs gross: E 71,250
Taxes (30%????): E 21,375
Net Salary: E 50,000
No mention bonus or nothing extra, that means:
E50,000 / 13 salaries = E 3846 = U$D 5960
This is not so good for buying a ticket from Asia or the sandpipe to
Leipzig.
Terms & Conditions
Annual Salary Line Pilots
Commander: up to a maximum of 159.000
First Officer: From 52.500 - to 90.000
Second Officer: From 45.000 - to 50.000
All salaries will increase at a rate of 2.500 per year of employment until the maximum salary of the employment group is reached.
Additional Compensation
Largely tax- free per diem at a rate of 2.- per hour paid from start to end of duty at Leipzig
Collective bonus depending on overall company performance
Phase in into AeroLogic pay scale / Starting salary
Direct Entry Commander
Type Rated B777 and TRI/E on B777: 156.500
Type Rated B777: 154.000
Wide Body Commander and TRI/E: 154.000
Wide Body Commander: 151.500
First Officers
Depending on experience from: 52.500 - to 65.000
First Officer designated for accelerated Command: 85.000
Must have (at time of actual upgrade):
5000 h on Jet Transport over 50 t incl. 1500 h wide body / long range incl. 500 h B777
or
5000 h on Jet Transport over 50 t incl. 1000 h B777
Second Officer
This program is not yet implemented at AeroLogic. However it addresses pilots directly from flight school to be assigned as cruise relive pilot on the B777 above FL 200.
45.000
Instructor and Examiners
LTI
Line Training Instructor: 100,- per leg as LTI up to a maximum of 700,- per month
TRI
Type Rating Instructor: Monthly fixed allowance of 500 This includes 4 simulator sessions.
Each additional simulator session 150
Each flight leg performing LTI duties: 100
Up to a maximum of 1.000 per month
TRE
Type Rating Examiner: Monthly fixed allowance 1.000 This includes 4 simulator sessions.
Each additional simulator session 250
Each flight leg performing LTI duties: 100
Up to a maximum of 2.000 per month
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AeroLogic GmbH
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04435 Schkeuditz
GERMANY
My main concern is about taxes.
Because it nothing says about it.
Only Annual Salary figures. They only mentioned free taxes for the perdiem. So I am guessing those Annual Salaries are before taxes.
They also not say a clue about pension, medical, etc.
If it is before tax my figures are:
average annual salary for FOs gross: E 71,250
Taxes (30%????): E 21,375
Net Salary: E 50,000
No mention bonus or nothing extra, that means:
E50,000 / 13 salaries = E 3846 = U$D 5960
This is not so good for buying a ticket from Asia or the sandpipe to
Leipzig.
Terms & Conditions
Annual Salary Line Pilots
Commander: up to a maximum of 159.000
First Officer: From 52.500 - to 90.000
Second Officer: From 45.000 - to 50.000
All salaries will increase at a rate of 2.500 per year of employment until the maximum salary of the employment group is reached.
Additional Compensation
Largely tax- free per diem at a rate of 2.- per hour paid from start to end of duty at Leipzig
Collective bonus depending on overall company performance
Phase in into AeroLogic pay scale / Starting salary
Direct Entry Commander
Type Rated B777 and TRI/E on B777: 156.500
Type Rated B777: 154.000
Wide Body Commander and TRI/E: 154.000
Wide Body Commander: 151.500
First Officers
Depending on experience from: 52.500 - to 65.000
First Officer designated for accelerated Command: 85.000
Must have (at time of actual upgrade):
5000 h on Jet Transport over 50 t incl. 1500 h wide body / long range incl. 500 h B777
or
5000 h on Jet Transport over 50 t incl. 1000 h B777
Second Officer
This program is not yet implemented at AeroLogic. However it addresses pilots directly from flight school to be assigned as cruise relive pilot on the B777 above FL 200.
45.000
Instructor and Examiners
LTI
Line Training Instructor: 100,- per leg as LTI up to a maximum of 700,- per month
TRI
Type Rating Instructor: Monthly fixed allowance of 500 This includes 4 simulator sessions.
Each additional simulator session 150
Each flight leg performing LTI duties: 100
Up to a maximum of 1.000 per month
TRE
Type Rating Examiner: Monthly fixed allowance 1.000 This includes 4 simulator sessions.
Each additional simulator session 250
Each flight leg performing LTI duties: 100
Up to a maximum of 2.000 per month
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AeroLogic GmbH
Industriestraίe 56
04435 Schkeuditz
GERMANY
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And Guys
there is a part of your salary tax free (15-20%).The rest has to be taxed.
So if you are married with kids you pay round about 30 % tax and social
insurance.This includes also medical insurance,loss of Job (Arbeitslosengeld) and goverment pension.
I dont think that any Middle East or far East Airline offer you a better deal
(Dollar/Euro).
It all depend of what you want and what you like for your family.
But this is once of the better jobs in Germany.
Maybe you make 500 to 1000 Euros more in the sandpitt or far east, but remember do you have there the same rights as in Germany or Europe or
the same social security.
Just think about it.
there is a part of your salary tax free (15-20%).The rest has to be taxed.
So if you are married with kids you pay round about 30 % tax and social
insurance.This includes also medical insurance,loss of Job (Arbeitslosengeld) and goverment pension.
I dont think that any Middle East or far East Airline offer you a better deal
(Dollar/Euro).
It all depend of what you want and what you like for your family.
But this is once of the better jobs in Germany.
Maybe you make 500 to 1000 Euros more in the sandpitt or far east, but remember do you have there the same rights as in Germany or Europe or
the same social security.
Just think about it.
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Ok for those who obviously dont have the time to read a bit more in this thread I did some calculations again based on the updated figures, yes they increased some.
As the tax system is very complicated those figures might be not correct, but at least should show what to expect to be put into your bank account at the end of the month.
Calculation is based on a single, no kids, assuming that 16,3% of the gross salary each month are paid out tax/social contribution free, to cover working on weekends, legal holidays and during nighttime, standard health insurance (to change to a private health insurance scheme you will have to be above the cap limit of 48.150,00 per year for the last 3 consecutive years). I dont know how this would be dealt with if you come to Germany from abroad. Based on 12 monthly salaries as nothing is mentioned about a 13th month salary.
Captains:
110.000,00 gross per year = 9.166,67 gross per month = 5714,11 net per month
159.000,00 gross per year = 13.250,00 gross per month = 8282,98 net per month
Direct Entry Captain
Type Rated B777 and TRI/E on B777:
156.500 gross per year = 13.041,67 gross per month = 8.151,93 net per month
Type Rated B777:
154.000,00 gross per year = 12.833,34 gross per month = 8.020,88 net per month
Wide Body Commander and TRI/E:
154.000,00 gross per year = 12.833,34 gross per month = 8.020,88 net per month
Wide Body Commander:
151.500,00 gross per year = 12.625,00 gross per month = 7.889,82 net per month
First Officer:
52.000,00 gross per year = 4.333,33 gross per month = 2.653,16 net per month
90.000,00 gross per year = 7.500,00 gross per month = 4665,57 net per month
First Officer designated for accelerated Command:
85.000 gross per year = 7.083,34 gross per month = 4.403,38 net per month
Second Officer:
45.000,00 gross per year = 3.750,00 gross per month = 2.317,01 net per month
50.000,00 gross per year = 4.166,67 gross per month = 2.558.46 net per month
Per diem:
If you assume for a typical German old standard contract 42 days of vacation per year, 10 off days at home base per months, I come up to about 720,00 per month largely tax free, assuming 15 duty days a month, however this seems to be on the high side to me.
Make your own assumption, if these figures are good or bad or good or bad in particular for German standards!
Again, figures are only rough assumptions and can not be guaranteed as I am not a tax advisor.
As the tax system is very complicated those figures might be not correct, but at least should show what to expect to be put into your bank account at the end of the month.
Calculation is based on a single, no kids, assuming that 16,3% of the gross salary each month are paid out tax/social contribution free, to cover working on weekends, legal holidays and during nighttime, standard health insurance (to change to a private health insurance scheme you will have to be above the cap limit of 48.150,00 per year for the last 3 consecutive years). I dont know how this would be dealt with if you come to Germany from abroad. Based on 12 monthly salaries as nothing is mentioned about a 13th month salary.
Captains:
110.000,00 gross per year = 9.166,67 gross per month = 5714,11 net per month
159.000,00 gross per year = 13.250,00 gross per month = 8282,98 net per month
Direct Entry Captain
Type Rated B777 and TRI/E on B777:
156.500 gross per year = 13.041,67 gross per month = 8.151,93 net per month
Type Rated B777:
154.000,00 gross per year = 12.833,34 gross per month = 8.020,88 net per month
Wide Body Commander and TRI/E:
154.000,00 gross per year = 12.833,34 gross per month = 8.020,88 net per month
Wide Body Commander:
151.500,00 gross per year = 12.625,00 gross per month = 7.889,82 net per month
First Officer:
52.000,00 gross per year = 4.333,33 gross per month = 2.653,16 net per month
90.000,00 gross per year = 7.500,00 gross per month = 4665,57 net per month
First Officer designated for accelerated Command:
85.000 gross per year = 7.083,34 gross per month = 4.403,38 net per month
Second Officer:
45.000,00 gross per year = 3.750,00 gross per month = 2.317,01 net per month
50.000,00 gross per year = 4.166,67 gross per month = 2.558.46 net per month
Per diem:
If you assume for a typical German old standard contract 42 days of vacation per year, 10 off days at home base per months, I come up to about 720,00 per month largely tax free, assuming 15 duty days a month, however this seems to be on the high side to me.
Make your own assumption, if these figures are good or bad or good or bad in particular for German standards!
Again, figures are only rough assumptions and can not be guaranteed as I am not a tax advisor.
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I think it's a bit strange that an upgraded F/O gets the basic 110k, and a DEC gets 154k or 157k (with rating) upon beginning. Is this really fair?
With 110k you have to work almost 20 years to get to the 159k!!!
With 110k you have to work almost 20 years to get to the 159k!!!
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To Cosmiccomet:
- It`s BEFORE tax !
To Boeingbuddy:
-You have the same rights in Germany/Europe as in Dubai or anywhere else in the world , if the outfit goes belly up ! NIL
To Longranger777:
-Hit it. You see 159k in 20 years. So no one of the DEC`s is gonna see it anyway !
To Boxshifter:
-Extremly close to the naked truth !
- It`s BEFORE tax !
To Boeingbuddy:
-You have the same rights in Germany/Europe as in Dubai or anywhere else in the world , if the outfit goes belly up ! NIL
To Longranger777:
-Hit it. You see 159k in 20 years. So no one of the DEC`s is gonna see it anyway !
To Boxshifter:
-Extremly close to the naked truth !
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Everyone rejects Aerologic and the possibility to work there, but why do they still get drowned in applications of rated guys from Mideast?
They discussion here is misleaded, if only pointing to the net salaries, which indeed is difficult to calculate.
Don΄t forget - the taxes in Germany might be high nominally, but they΄re much lower, considering the actual taxes, paid at the end of the year and the reimbursed taxes after making the annual tax consolidation (Einkommensteuererklδrung).
With all legal measures even a good earning commander will have an effective tax rate of less than 30%, and overall deductions of max ~45%.
Beyond that, for those, interested in living in Leipzig or it΄s vicinity, life there is among the cheapest in Europe, forget DXB-like inflation, doubling your supermarket bill each year, to get a wonderful Art Nouveau Flat of 100sqmeters will cost you less than 800, with parks nearby, uncensored culture of its best as well as all the basic human rights, any expat in DXB is dreaming of.
No fears of anyone, listening to your phone calls, no internetsites blocked, no company, showing you each day, that you΄re just a tolerated expat, ΄cause they need you. And for the singles among you - nice and beautiful girls!!
Many things, which can΄t be expressed in money.....
They discussion here is misleaded, if only pointing to the net salaries, which indeed is difficult to calculate.
Don΄t forget - the taxes in Germany might be high nominally, but they΄re much lower, considering the actual taxes, paid at the end of the year and the reimbursed taxes after making the annual tax consolidation (Einkommensteuererklδrung).
With all legal measures even a good earning commander will have an effective tax rate of less than 30%, and overall deductions of max ~45%.
Beyond that, for those, interested in living in Leipzig or it΄s vicinity, life there is among the cheapest in Europe, forget DXB-like inflation, doubling your supermarket bill each year, to get a wonderful Art Nouveau Flat of 100sqmeters will cost you less than 800, with parks nearby, uncensored culture of its best as well as all the basic human rights, any expat in DXB is dreaming of.
No fears of anyone, listening to your phone calls, no internetsites blocked, no company, showing you each day, that you΄re just a tolerated expat, ΄cause they need you. And for the singles among you - nice and beautiful girls!!
Many things, which can΄t be expressed in money.....
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The diskussion is absolutly useless, most guys here dont have a JAR licence or the right to work in the EU, anyway around 9 CPT, some TRI/TRE have already resigned from LTU and will be joining Aerologic, some more to come plus F/Os some with enough experiance to start the command course soon.
So Aerologic will be fine, just keep talking, it wont change a thing.
So Aerologic will be fine, just keep talking, it wont change a thing.
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@EAM,
sorry for fingertrouble,
I intended to adress Angel's playmate....
@Memphis Belle
absolutely right...
about net salary in Germany it's difficult; no it's impossible to make a general statement but in my case, with my applicable deductions (assuming 151,5 k p.a. as a DEC) I earn more than I do now in one of the best expad contracts in Asia thanks to the low US-dollar.
Well, that might change with time, but who knows?
Everybody needs to do his own maths.
If you probably got 1 or 2 kids, married and own a property in Germany you might be better off with Aerologic, as a single and no kids be prepared to pay 40% - 45% income tax.
sorry for fingertrouble,
I intended to adress Angel's playmate....
@Memphis Belle
absolutely right...
about net salary in Germany it's difficult; no it's impossible to make a general statement but in my case, with my applicable deductions (assuming 151,5 k p.a. as a DEC) I earn more than I do now in one of the best expad contracts in Asia thanks to the low US-dollar.
Well, that might change with time, but who knows?
Everybody needs to do his own maths.
If you probably got 1 or 2 kids, married and own a property in Germany you might be better off with Aerologic, as a single and no kids be prepared to pay 40% - 45% income tax.
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Assuming not commutable then? Don't know much about the DHL setup and interaction between UK and Brussels but do you have you any idea why they interviewing UK based pilots for that. Shirley no one is going to want to go to Leipzig. Whats the roster like?
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I knew someone had to bite, couldn't resist teeing it up either!!! Didn't mean my comment (re Leipzig) to be disrespectful in any way, it's one of the few places i havn't been with my current employer and looks nice. Was just wondering why DHL are interviewing in East Midlands for F/O positions based Leipzig though? I know this is a bit of topic but any idea's of F/O roster pattern, routes. Also is it UK contract and tax with possibility of moving back to East Mids?. (Sorry Aerologicerererers won't take long and we'll be back on topic!!!)
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smeagal
there is a distinct lack of German National copilots applying, i think the pilot market is different to the UK, although i stand to be corrected. The current offering is £ with UK tax. Rosters I can't comment on, and moving back to EMA is a possibility in the short - medium - long term, depends when you come in, what happens tommorrow, the price of fish etc.
And finally when you make Command, guess where you'll be based.
there is a distinct lack of German National copilots applying, i think the pilot market is different to the UK, although i stand to be corrected. The current offering is £ with UK tax. Rosters I can't comment on, and moving back to EMA is a possibility in the short - medium - long term, depends when you come in, what happens tommorrow, the price of fish etc.
And finally when you make Command, guess where you'll be based.
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Not surprising to hear about the lack of German takers.
Folk need to know exactly where they stand with regard to salaries and tax. The city gurus seem fairly convinced the £ will sink by another 20% against an already strong Euro. This makes the UK a very attractive cost centre for the parent company but the downside is that it will prove troublesome to those UK salary earners trying to juggle day to day living expenditure in Europe.
Folk need to know exactly where they stand with regard to salaries and tax. The city gurus seem fairly convinced the £ will sink by another 20% against an already strong Euro. This makes the UK a very attractive cost centre for the parent company but the downside is that it will prove troublesome to those UK salary earners trying to juggle day to day living expenditure in Europe.