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Mr. Redtail,
Why would you wish anyone that kind of nonsense?
Connie has gone way out of the way to start up this business again. He doesn't need the money for gods sake. He is providing good jobs for a fair number of folks and from what I can tell, they are all fairly happy there. Many left other jobs to go back there.
Get off your high horse and be thankfull there are some jobs to be had!!!
Why would you wish anyone that kind of nonsense?
Connie has gone way out of the way to start up this business again. He doesn't need the money for gods sake. He is providing good jobs for a fair number of folks and from what I can tell, they are all fairly happy there. Many left other jobs to go back there.
Get off your high horse and be thankfull there are some jobs to be had!!!
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Well spoken Willit Run- too bad so many folks in this forum have it in for their airline management...and just have to take the opportunity to take shots at someone else who is and has been successful.
Nuff said....
Nuff said....
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I'd just like to see Kalitta have to play by the same set of rules the rest of us have to follow. The company I work for hired many of the Kalitta mechanics after Kalitta went tango uniform, and they all had interesting and refreshing views on paperwork and FARs, as well as many colorful stories.
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I talked to a whale captain that recently left Polar to go back to Connie. He said he wasn't there for the money or the lifestyle, but for the entertainment that Connie provides!
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Willit maybe run.,,,,,, Sounds like you seak as an employee or former employee. Which aircraft are/were you on ? Lots of right wing nuts in your part of the country, aren't there?
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Come on Polzin,. .I thought you were sharper than that. Maybe there is merit to the age 60 rule after all!!!. .I was a Tri-Star bum just like you were.
As for the Redtail , Connie has to play by the same set of rules as everyone else. Thinking That he doesn't, is simply preposterous.
If you didn't work there, you shouldn't make comments like that. If you did work there, you know the truth. I'm sure many of us would be surprised at the things that go on at"real airlines". No company is perfect.Wishing ill will on fellow aviators is just plain rude!
As for the Redtail , Connie has to play by the same set of rules as everyone else. Thinking That he doesn't, is simply preposterous.
If you didn't work there, you shouldn't make comments like that. If you did work there, you know the truth. I'm sure many of us would be surprised at the things that go on at"real airlines". No company is perfect.Wishing ill will on fellow aviators is just plain rude!
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Is this the "Peter" Pilot Polzin, who used to fly those worthless 707's with the junior Lear man.. .I was your engineer on several occasions dude!. .how many guys at Connie World lived in Idaho dude???
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Sorry, just to Old to remember you. Did you ever refuse to get coffee for Me? Talked to Lear today . As you may know his mom died Dec. 5. Cancer . get me on the E. Ever talked to spudskier who posts here? From Idaho.
. .I still ski on straight skiis.
. .I still ski on straight skiis.
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Geez Kenny!!!!!!!
How many hints do I need to give you!!!
Click on the little ? above my name and see who this is!, you big ole over 60 Dork!. .And yes, why the hell would I ever get you coffee, We all had to keep an eye on you so we didn't end up in Denver!
How many hints do I need to give you!!!
Click on the little ? above my name and see who this is!, you big ole over 60 Dork!. .And yes, why the hell would I ever get you coffee, We all had to keep an eye on you so we didn't end up in Denver!
A pilot at this company, who I have flown with twice, worked for six years as a Kallita Lear FO/Captain. Due to a shortage of extra Lear Captains, he told me that he once stayed on duty for 30 consecutive hours (without rest), in order to fly the freight to its destinations.
Another guy here (retired Air Force MAC pilot) was a DC-8 FO at Kallita and refused to upgrade to Captain, because it was not by seniority. He told me that it would not be fair to some of the other FOs with more seniority. He also said that it required all three crewmembers and a mechanic to convince ("stand up to") Connie that the elevator hydraulic pressure was inop, according to the gauge. He told me that the heavily-loaded DC-8 would have never rotated during takeoff. The guy (D) told me that his experience there was quite an eye-opener and very educational, being his first civilian pilot job.
Remember when the FAA finally "decided" that all crewmembers on reserve/standby would have a designated rest period? This happened after the Little Rock MD-80 disaster. Notice that other accidents were caused primarily by crew fatigue (Connie DC-8 at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba). Has the FAA ever changed any reg(s) after any freight pilots crashed?
If so, please post the information. If none is available, it illustrates the well-known fact that the FAA has no interest in safety, only "legalities".
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Another guy here (retired Air Force MAC pilot) was a DC-8 FO at Kallita and refused to upgrade to Captain, because it was not by seniority. He told me that it would not be fair to some of the other FOs with more seniority. He also said that it required all three crewmembers and a mechanic to convince ("stand up to") Connie that the elevator hydraulic pressure was inop, according to the gauge. He told me that the heavily-loaded DC-8 would have never rotated during takeoff. The guy (D) told me that his experience there was quite an eye-opener and very educational, being his first civilian pilot job.
Remember when the FAA finally "decided" that all crewmembers on reserve/standby would have a designated rest period? This happened after the Little Rock MD-80 disaster. Notice that other accidents were caused primarily by crew fatigue (Connie DC-8 at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba). Has the FAA ever changed any reg(s) after any freight pilots crashed?
If so, please post the information. If none is available, it illustrates the well-known fact that the FAA has no interest in safety, only "legalities".
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As a former Kalitta employee for 7 years, I can say that in the PAST, there were many incidents that made for good folklore. However, Things did change for the better, and in the end, it was a fairly respectable place to work. With that said, I have no other aviation experience than Willow Run airport, so my views may be a bit sckewed and not up to par with the rest of the world.. .As far as the seniority thing goes, we had a contract that was not based entirely on seniority as far as the upgrades went. Many folks were not ready for an upgrade and that was agreed to in the contract. So, that may or may not have been the reason for the upgrade out of seniority.
The Duty time enforcement has still not been solved, and will not for some time if history has anything to say about it. The Air Transport Association has too much pull with the congress and the FAA, and I think many more folks will have to die as a result before anything will ever be done. After the Gitmo accident, we had cart blanche to say the F word and nothing was ever said about it. that was the only good thing that came out of that incident.
Yes, the DC-8 had a totally mechanical elevator, only the ailerons and rudder were hydraulicly boosted for the flight controls.
At that time, the Lears were flown on the 135 certificate and the 135 rules a few years ago were much more lenient than the 121 rules were. As Mr. O'ride said, the FAA is more concerned with the rules than safety. The company was just using the rules to further the profit, just like every airline out there. If there were no pilot unions, these rules would be abused all the time by every airline out there.
The Duty time enforcement has still not been solved, and will not for some time if history has anything to say about it. The Air Transport Association has too much pull with the congress and the FAA, and I think many more folks will have to die as a result before anything will ever be done. After the Gitmo accident, we had cart blanche to say the F word and nothing was ever said about it. that was the only good thing that came out of that incident.
Yes, the DC-8 had a totally mechanical elevator, only the ailerons and rudder were hydraulicly boosted for the flight controls.
At that time, the Lears were flown on the 135 certificate and the 135 rules a few years ago were much more lenient than the 121 rules were. As Mr. O'ride said, the FAA is more concerned with the rules than safety. The company was just using the rules to further the profit, just like every airline out there. If there were no pilot unions, these rules would be abused all the time by every airline out there.
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Shocking, absolutely Shocking that you would speak like this about the FAA. As one Inspector told me , " The regulations are the regulations. If you want things changed , go to your union." For 5 years before he said that and 3 years after, I worked for a non-union companies.
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"OPERATOR'S MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE AND PHILOSOPHY WERE INSUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN VIGILANT OVERSIGHT AND CONTROL OF T HE RAPIDLY EXPANDING AIRLINE OPERATION."
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Polzin,
Glad you figured it out! But, really, how many days have you been skiing this year? I just got 9 days in.
As for Redtail, he deserves no further recognition!
Glad you figured it out! But, really, how many days have you been skiing this year? I just got 9 days in.
As for Redtail, he deserves no further recognition!