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From: Stockport MAN/EGCC
Another one bites the dust
Sad to report.
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From: Arizona USA
LineJet should be viewed with some suspicion.
Although the specific airplane is in reasonable shape, the owners of the company have, apparently in the past, stiffed crew members at the end of the contract.
This is an old ploy to get the crew member to complete the flights then the company claims 'poverty' and refuses to pay.
The usual way around this problem is for the specific crew members to insist on the last months pay in advance.
LineJet has, at least with one individual I personally know, recently refused to do this...a bad omen.
In addition, the owners of the airplane have indicated that it will remain on the US register for a prolonged period.
There is nothing wrong with this of course, however for the airplane to be used in commercial service, a detailed lease agreement needs to be entered into with a foreign AOC holder, and so far as I know, this has not been done.
The old days of operating under FAR91D (as it was then known) are long gone.
One can expect that the FAA will watch this airplane quite closely, at least initially.
Although the specific airplane is in reasonable shape, the owners of the company have, apparently in the past, stiffed crew members at the end of the contract.
This is an old ploy to get the crew member to complete the flights then the company claims 'poverty' and refuses to pay.
The usual way around this problem is for the specific crew members to insist on the last months pay in advance.
LineJet has, at least with one individual I personally know, recently refused to do this...a bad omen.
In addition, the owners of the airplane have indicated that it will remain on the US register for a prolonged period.
There is nothing wrong with this of course, however for the airplane to be used in commercial service, a detailed lease agreement needs to be entered into with a foreign AOC holder, and so far as I know, this has not been done.
The old days of operating under FAR91D (as it was then known) are long gone.
One can expect that the FAA will watch this airplane quite closely, at least initially.
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One good question if anyone knows, since this aircraft is N registered and will remain so for a while, then only FAA license will be allowed?
Also how does this affect the over 60 pilots?
Not really a concern for me but for some it may be.
That sure would cut it down to slim pickens!
Not many of us left and with no initial ground schools left, the only sim in the UK, if you are not a requal then there is no way for anyone to get initial training done.
I have heard that Delta no longer does this and Pan Am in Miami also has stopped.
Also how does this affect the over 60 pilots?
Not really a concern for me but for some it may be.
That sure would cut it down to slim pickens!
Not many of us left and with no initial ground schools left, the only sim in the UK, if you are not a requal then there is no way for anyone to get initial training done.
I have heard that Delta no longer does this and Pan Am in Miami also has stopped.
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Also how does this affect the over 60 pilots?
There are quite a few pilots over age sixty operating large turbine-powered US registered aircraft not on a 121 certificate.
If the airplane is leased to a third party, and that party has an AOC allowing over age sixty pilots...'tis OK.
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If its operating under FAA regs isn't there a very expensive Engine AD that needs to be completed?
This is why I suspect that the airplane, once it reaches its overseas destination, will revert to a non-US registration.
And, going just slightly further, I also suspect the reason the present owner only wants pilots/engineers with FAA licenses, is simply the fact that many others know the company/individual, and the suspect renumeration issues, whereas US pilots might not.
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OK the plot doth thicken!
Orange air was a previous start up. It was being run by Mohsen Mughrabi ex- Star Air Ltd
The new outfit he's started is Line Jet.
As 411A says, it maybe best to get your money upfront.
Orange air was a previous start up. It was being run by Mohsen Mughrabi ex- Star Air Ltd
The new outfit he's started is Line Jet.
As 411A says, it maybe best to get your money upfront.
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From: Stockport MAN/EGCC
Quote from oldcessna
Quote from another group posted yesterday
Things are begining to move it would seem.
Be lucky
David
Just heard that ex ATA L1011 -100 N194AT is being prepared for blast off out of Miami.
N194AT has just filed a flight plan. It is scheduled to
depart KMIA (Miami Intl) at 19:00 EDT heading for LPPT (Lisboa) for an
arrival at 07:14 GMT.
Expected route: VALLY1 VALLY PERMT A699 SUMRS R514 DRIBL A647 KWLTY 3800N 05000W 3900N 04500W 4000N 04000W 4000N 03000W 4000N 02000W ERPES UZ22 BUSEN UN870 LIS
depart KMIA (Miami Intl) at 19:00 EDT heading for LPPT (Lisboa) for an
arrival at 07:14 GMT.
Expected route: VALLY1 VALLY PERMT A699 SUMRS R514 DRIBL A647 KWLTY 3800N 05000W 3900N 04500W 4000N 04000W 4000N 03000W 4000N 02000W ERPES UZ22 BUSEN UN870 LIS
Be lucky
David
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Maybe I am out of the loop here,
Just spoke with the guy a few minutes ago, everything is on hold.
The plane is still in MIA awaiting TSA clearance for the crew etc, whatever that involves.
It wont depart today, crew is not even in place yet.
Where are all of you getting this info from?
Sure is a lot of interest in this one, is there something we should know?
Just spoke with the guy a few minutes ago, everything is on hold.
The plane is still in MIA awaiting TSA clearance for the crew etc, whatever that involves.
It wont depart today, crew is not even in place yet.
Where are all of you getting this info from?
Sure is a lot of interest in this one, is there something we should know?
Last edited by Earl; 13th September 2007 at 19:11.
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FWIW
Luzair L1011 CS-TMP went from LIS to AMM a couple of days ago.
It went for A check and engine AD accomplishment.
Should have gone back yesterday.
Earl:
Anyone know the length of time involved to do these engine A/D's?
Understood it was a lengthy procedure.
Luzair L1011 CS-TMP went from LIS to AMM a couple of days ago.
It went for A check and engine AD accomplishment.
Should have gone back yesterday.
Earl:
Anyone know the length of time involved to do these engine A/D's?
Understood it was a lengthy procedure.