CWC Airlines
Scot Airways is a very much larger business and don't forget they started in Cambridge and based their aircraft there initially, so I don't think that is very a valid comparison in all honestly.
Don't get me wrong, I wish CWC every success, but I still feel that a fledgling, small company needs to have its commercial and operational activities in one place. What good reason is there for doing otherwise? If your aircraft is based away from your commercial base you are having to pay a handling agent at the remote location to do the operational/traffic activities you could be doing in-house. Crew training and maintenance etc. can also be a bind in those circumstances.
I've been there, done it, had the ulcers and sleepless nights so I'm simply offering advice from personal experience. Never complicate something that you could have kept simple.
Finally, has the market for the scheduled freight operation been thoroughly researched? I certainly hope so.
Don't get me wrong, I wish CWC every success, but I still feel that a fledgling, small company needs to have its commercial and operational activities in one place. What good reason is there for doing otherwise? If your aircraft is based away from your commercial base you are having to pay a handling agent at the remote location to do the operational/traffic activities you could be doing in-house. Crew training and maintenance etc. can also be a bind in those circumstances.
I've been there, done it, had the ulcers and sleepless nights so I'm simply offering advice from personal experience. Never complicate something that you could have kept simple.
Finally, has the market for the scheduled freight operation been thoroughly researched? I certainly hope so.
Last edited by Expressflight; 4th Mar 2007 at 10:14.
I see that on Barnstormers.com CWC are advertising 750 kg cargo capacity on a daily London-Dublin-Paris routing commencing this month
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Sounds like the Chieftain which was previously mentioned.
They are also seeking launch finance in a separate ad. of 250,000USD.
I shan't be reaching into my back pocket I don't think.
.Sounds like the Chieftain which was previously mentioned.
They are also seeking launch finance in a separate ad. of 250,000USD.
I shan't be reaching into my back pocket I don't think.
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Expressflight That was posted in February. From my research, things have changed for the better and the Navajo won't be used and finance is already available. Sounds to me like you have no faith in CWC. Why is that ?
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I really would be very canny about the whole secheduled cargo operation.
The yield on 750Kg would have to be extremely high, there must be a contract of sorts underpinning this with say a guaranteed amount per day, cock it up one day and the freight will probably head back to which ever integrator its going with at the moment, Paris and Dublin are hardly specialist niches like Emerald used to carve out when they did this type of thing, and the consolodation can be extremely tricky and time consuming and requires a lot of organising. I could see the point if it was for a larger amount of cargo, but for 750kgs it seems hardly worth all the effort.
There is a small market for high value, particularly financial items, but more and more these contracts are swallowed up by the integrators who are hardly going to use this type of service, working closely with the main one for the past 8 year, I can tell you it simply does not fit into their business model.
I'm interested to hear the Nav is no longer the aircraft being used, with limited options on the UK register under 3000kg capacity just what exactly do the propose to operate ?
Like Expressflight, i've been there and got the T-shirt, you could have all the money in China, it wont do you any good unless you have a sound aircraft, sound contracts or spot a nieche in the market to exploit, from what I hear of this operation it would not be something I would invest in personally, but best of luck to them.
The yield on 750Kg would have to be extremely high, there must be a contract of sorts underpinning this with say a guaranteed amount per day, cock it up one day and the freight will probably head back to which ever integrator its going with at the moment, Paris and Dublin are hardly specialist niches like Emerald used to carve out when they did this type of thing, and the consolodation can be extremely tricky and time consuming and requires a lot of organising. I could see the point if it was for a larger amount of cargo, but for 750kgs it seems hardly worth all the effort.
There is a small market for high value, particularly financial items, but more and more these contracts are swallowed up by the integrators who are hardly going to use this type of service, working closely with the main one for the past 8 year, I can tell you it simply does not fit into their business model.
I'm interested to hear the Nav is no longer the aircraft being used, with limited options on the UK register under 3000kg capacity just what exactly do the propose to operate ?
Like Expressflight, i've been there and got the T-shirt, you could have all the money in China, it wont do you any good unless you have a sound aircraft, sound contracts or spot a nieche in the market to exploit, from what I hear of this operation it would not be something I would invest in personally, but best of luck to them.
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I think EI-CGO sums up my thoughts almost exactly.
Neither of us are anti-CWC - simply being realistic as a result of long experience in this field of aviation.
I still wish CWC every success - who knows, they may have found a niche we have all missed.
I think EI-CGO sums up my thoughts almost exactly.
Neither of us are anti-CWC - simply being realistic as a result of long experience in this field of aviation.
I still wish CWC every success - who knows, they may have found a niche we have all missed.
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I can definetly confirm that there have been ongoing negotiation between CWC and Horizon Capital Management group over an ACMI lease for a DC8-63 with AOC cover on a 1 year contract.
The website will be launched in the next 7-10 days along with a press release outlining thier plans and a statement from its founder.
With this in mind I and am sure all of you can safely say that SEN is out of the question as it cannot handle an AC the size of the DC8 my money is on Stansted or Luton (Hint hint).
Hope ive given you the positive outlook you would expect from this company and I am sure you as well as I wish them all the best of Luck.
WA
I can definetly confirm that there have been ongoing negotiation between CWC and Horizon Capital Management group over an ACMI lease for a DC8-63 with AOC cover on a 1 year contract.
The website will be launched in the next 7-10 days along with a press release outlining thier plans and a statement from its founder.
With this in mind I and am sure all of you can safely say that SEN is out of the question as it cannot handle an AC the size of the DC8 my money is on Stansted or Luton (Hint hint).
Hope ive given you the positive outlook you would expect from this company and I am sure you as well as I wish them all the best of Luck.
WA
Indeed I wish them the very best of luck.
Having obviously rapidly changed their business plan from an inter-European small freight schedule with a Navajo to something rather more ambitious, and perhaps worldwide, with a DC8-63 I await the launch of the website with bated breath.
Manston might not be a bad choice of base, rather than STN or LTN, do you think?
Having obviously rapidly changed their business plan from an inter-European small freight schedule with a Navajo to something rather more ambitious, and perhaps worldwide, with a DC8-63 I await the launch of the website with bated breath.
Manston might not be a bad choice of base, rather than STN or LTN, do you think?
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Indeed you are correct about the rapidly changed business plan and personally its for the better especially if the world wide locations are picked properly which I think they would have.
As for Manston I would agree with you if I actaully knew where it is geographycally speaking as I dont know where its proximity to London.
WA
Indeed you are correct about the rapidly changed business plan and personally its for the better especially if the world wide locations are picked properly which I think they would have.
As for Manston I would agree with you if I actaully knew where it is geographycally speaking as I dont know where its proximity to London.
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Manston (MSE) is about 90 km East of London on the Kent coast.
I believe they currently handle MK Airlines and Egypt Air freighters and that Cargolux may be commencing operations into MSE soon.
I believe they currently handle MK Airlines and Egypt Air freighters and that Cargolux may be commencing operations into MSE soon.
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The website will be launched in the next 7-10 days along with a press release outlining thier plans and a statement from its founder.
Has the website been launched - just wondering where the base was going to be?
Has the website been launched - just wondering where the base was going to be?
Another month passes and no website or anything else as far as I know.
Has this, sadly, become another operation that fails to get off the ground?
By the way, light freight at SEN seems very healthy at present with 3 or 4 Metroliners on the ramp most days. Don't know if it's ad hoc or contract work. Anyone know?
Has this, sadly, become another operation that fails to get off the ground?
By the way, light freight at SEN seems very healthy at present with 3 or 4 Metroliners on the ramp most days. Don't know if it's ad hoc or contract work. Anyone know?
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I believe if you visit www.cwcair.co.uk you will see the website of this company and further more Pilots and engineers are being sort out according thier website.
It will be launching sometime in 2007 so lets hope them Luck and I for once hope it takes off as stated previously I have a friend helping out with this.
WA
I believe if you visit www.cwcair.co.uk you will see the website of this company and further more Pilots and engineers are being sort out according thier website.
It will be launching sometime in 2007 so lets hope them Luck and I for once hope it takes off as stated previously I have a friend helping out with this.
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WA
Thanks for the link.
I sincerely wish CWC every success and am more hopeful now that they seem to have moved away from the idea of just a scheduled operation aimed at consolidating small consignments of general freight.
The website looks professional and even the chosen aircraft might work.
I know how much work goes into trying to establish a new operation and would never wish ill upon someone trying to do that.
Good luck to them and I look forward to hearing how things progress.
P.S. Where will CWC be based, do you know?
Thanks for the link.
I sincerely wish CWC every success and am more hopeful now that they seem to have moved away from the idea of just a scheduled operation aimed at consolidating small consignments of general freight.
The website looks professional and even the chosen aircraft might work.
I know how much work goes into trying to establish a new operation and would never wish ill upon someone trying to do that.
Good luck to them and I look forward to hearing how things progress.
P.S. Where will CWC be based, do you know?
