Air Atlanta Icelandic
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Yeah, I totally agree Ganbare,
But just to put it in more of a reality situation,
I recall enjoying a day off in Paris, at the airport hotel, when I got a phone call to catch a flight to Manchester, a change of basing, but I didn't quite have enough time to take a shower and be able to make the departure time!
Changes in basing were something that could occur at any time, without much notice at all.
Thats what it was like, all the time!
But just to put it in more of a reality situation,
I recall enjoying a day off in Paris, at the airport hotel, when I got a phone call to catch a flight to Manchester, a change of basing, but I didn't quite have enough time to take a shower and be able to make the departure time!
Changes in basing were something that could occur at any time, without much notice at all.
Thats what it was like, all the time!
Joined: Apr 2003
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From: London
The interview is a chat - "tell me about yourself". If you can breathe and are happy with the contract they will take you!
My driving test was 10 times more difficult than the sim - these guys are desperate.
Saw the Ts and Cs and realised I had wasted my time.
My driving test was 10 times more difficult than the sim - these guys are desperate.
Saw the Ts and Cs and realised I had wasted my time.
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Utrinque
Yes they are desperate.
AAI's logic is to cut the salaries to the bone, piss everybody off with lies and half truths etc., etc.. However they have forgotten one thing. They must train the people going coming in the front door to replace the personal that have been screwed going out the back door.
I wander when they will actually wake up and look after the people they already have, then the training costs would be halved (a conservative estimate) and the money saved could be passed on to improve terms and conditions.
Yes they are desperate.
AAI's logic is to cut the salaries to the bone, piss everybody off with lies and half truths etc., etc.. However they have forgotten one thing. They must train the people going coming in the front door to replace the personal that have been screwed going out the back door.
I wander when they will actually wake up and look after the people they already have, then the training costs would be halved (a conservative estimate) and the money saved could be passed on to improve terms and conditions.
Joined: Feb 2004
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From: Europe
Wake up call
They are awake, but just dont care or the information what is going on at the outstations and on the line never reaches the shareholders or the very senior management of the parent company. Or information is twisted to suit those in place to lose most if the show implodes. Probably a bit of both.
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Oh yes almost forgot
AAI are abusing the hell out of the validation "agreement" of the JAA's. They are issuing validations year after year to persons who are too lazy or incapable of obtaining the JAA license, to fly JAA register A/C, namely Icelandic.
I was of the understanding a 12 month validation was issued on a one off basis by a JAA member state if that person was in the process of obtaining a JAA license by attending a recognised school.
It seems to me the Icelandic CAA are in the pocket of AAI on this issue also.
AAI are abusing the hell out of the validation "agreement" of the JAA's. They are issuing validations year after year to persons who are too lazy or incapable of obtaining the JAA license, to fly JAA register A/C, namely Icelandic.
I was of the understanding a 12 month validation was issued on a one off basis by a JAA member state if that person was in the process of obtaining a JAA license by attending a recognised school.
It seems to me the Icelandic CAA are in the pocket of AAI on this issue also.
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From: Brisbane, Australia
When I was flying for AAI over a number of years, the entire time was via a validation, renewed each and every year, based on my Australian B747 licence, which was significantly more difficult to get!
As a result of several enquiries, I was finally informed that it was not possible for me to even apply for an Icelandic licence, a validation was all I was ever going to get!
The reason, at least then, was that AAI didn't have to pay me the better salary (whatever that means), when I didn't have the 'real' licence.
The AAI 'management' would never admit as much, I found that out via a connection.
I left them in Jan03.
Cheers, FD
As a result of several enquiries, I was finally informed that it was not possible for me to even apply for an Icelandic licence, a validation was all I was ever going to get!
The reason, at least then, was that AAI didn't have to pay me the better salary (whatever that means), when I didn't have the 'real' licence.
The AAI 'management' would never admit as much, I found that out via a connection.
I left them in Jan03.
Cheers, FD
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From: here and there
Fairly soon thereīll be nobody left to fly the ships. Maybe enough locals to operate their set of -400s.
Still tryin' to figure out if management is blind, ignorant or just doesn't give a thing.
Who am I to have an opinion?
No bond as far as I know except for some -400 crews.
Still tryin' to figure out if management is blind, ignorant or just doesn't give a thing.
Who am I to have an opinion?
No bond as far as I know except for some -400 crews.
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From: In a house. Rented - the bank took the other
no I am not there yet, but I since I want to get in to long haul I thought it would be a good approach. What sort of experience are they looking for? Ill keep banging on their doors till they hire me anyway
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From: Holland
Mr HF
Air Atlanta is currently heading in wrong direction,instead of being service minded,and low bidder for contracts,they have a tendency to upset their customers by
means of many factors,and treat the pilots like !!!!!,for them U arenīt worth a dime,and Everybody are easy replaced,They are loosing a lot of contracts and soon only one major base will be left,just as it once started.If U donīt like it,nobody is forcing U to work,just quit,after 2,5,10,15 years...they donīt care.
For U, i guess 800tt,and a chest filled with aspiration of flying the ""Jumbo" could be word a chance,but BE AWARE! Pilots are leaving the company and most of them arenīt leaving for a better ship or better pay...they just leaving because they need a social life,desent roster,not a 6on 2 off,but maybe for a 3on,2off.If U have a girlfriend/wife and if u have kids? forget AAI! It would never work,U see,acc to JAR u suposed to have min 7 daysoff at home base,so 3weeks,work 1 week off? Why not 3weeks ON,2weeks off 3 On etc?If U tell Mr Sullivan this,U will practically be permant based in JED.Anyway,keep on calling,sooner or later u will piss them off and they will hire U,and one or two,linecaptains will quit,because they had enough!Good Luck!
means of many factors,and treat the pilots like !!!!!,for them U arenīt worth a dime,and Everybody are easy replaced,They are loosing a lot of contracts and soon only one major base will be left,just as it once started.If U donīt like it,nobody is forcing U to work,just quit,after 2,5,10,15 years...they donīt care.
For U, i guess 800tt,and a chest filled with aspiration of flying the ""Jumbo" could be word a chance,but BE AWARE! Pilots are leaving the company and most of them arenīt leaving for a better ship or better pay...they just leaving because they need a social life,desent roster,not a 6on 2 off,but maybe for a 3on,2off.If U have a girlfriend/wife and if u have kids? forget AAI! It would never work,U see,acc to JAR u suposed to have min 7 daysoff at home base,so 3weeks,work 1 week off? Why not 3weeks ON,2weeks off 3 On etc?If U tell Mr Sullivan this,U will practically be permant based in JED.Anyway,keep on calling,sooner or later u will piss them off and they will hire U,and one or two,linecaptains will quit,because they had enough!Good Luck!
AAI
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From: Holland
Mr HF
yeah, thatīs the name of the game,of course it is writting clearly on the contract."If we donīt get the bucks,you wonīt either" in other words if airboneeses donīt get pay by atlantis,they have no obligation to pay the contractor,but airborne is 100%controlleed by AAI,
Funny,just how they protect them self!
Funny,just how they protect them self!
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From: here and there
In the past couple of years people have been installed on the the right seat with not even a M/E rating. The 747 rating was their first experience on a m/e airplane. So I guess you'll be ok considering their high demand these days.
Oh, but only if you are willing to pay Jerry'O for the endorsment.
Oh, but only if you are willing to pay Jerry'O for the endorsment.