Emerald and the CAA

[exloadie]

Originally Posted by DISAGREE

EI-CGO & the rest of you , you all speak utter !!!!!e and should get your facts correct before spouting your mouths off !!!

I am a man of many words and worked at LPL for sometime now and I can assure you that you are so so wrong it is quite laughable as none of you have a clue ! !

So everyone is wrong about Emeralds AOC getting pulled and all the aircraft grounded,staff without a job,that is all in our minds.Funny the last time i was in Liverpool the ATP and 748 both had vehicles blocking any attempt to move them?.Maybe we all should go and get our eyes checked

[Yak97]

Re West Air

I don't think their expansion is linked to any acquistion of ex Emerald aircraft.

I believe they are taking 3 se Sun-Air ATP's and have a contract in Spain for some HS748's.

Could be wrong though

[JUSTWANTTOFLY]

Quote - 'Restructuring' to KPMG means selling to the highest bidder, that is all'.

So the highest bidder and KPMG are not that interested in the availability of Crews? I wonder why?

Check KPMG site later today?

[JUSTWANTTOFLY]

West Air are phasing out the 748 in next 6 months and will have 10 more ATPs over same period.

[EI-CGO]

Originally Posted by JUSTWANTTOFLY

Quote - 'Restructuring' to KPMG means selling to the highest bidder, that is all'.

So the highest bidder and KPMG are not that interested in the availability of Crews? I wonder why?

Check KPMG site later today?

Unfortunately the massive expense that is entailed in putting some of the aircraft back in the sky has scared many of the potential bidders away, for that the blame solely lies with the Accountable Manager of JEM.

Several potential buyers HAVE spoken to crews, but how can you offer someone a job when the aircraft you are buying may not fly for 4 months ?

One operator based in the Gatwick area HAD plans to put a good few aircraft back into the sky both HS748 and SD3-60, but that was killed by the expense of the project, and indeed the on-going bun fight over who owns what, (i.e props, engines etc etc) that arguement could go on for months, if not years. As a result many of the aircraft will be scrapped or I suspect if the only credible deal now left on the table goes through, will fly overseas.

[GBALU53]

Not Scrapped

I and many others would hope some of the older aircraft are not scrapped but kept alive by the British Government and put some of our finest aircraft into memory like museums around the world.

British aviation has taken so many nocks and we do not have many left so they need to be kept.

Like so many things if only the British Government would help where help is needed we would still have a number of airlines that have past away,

[G-WHOT]

Why don't KPMG donate an airframe to Duxford? Isn't a charitable donation some sort of tax benefit?

[Germstone]

Originally Posted by G-WHOT

Why don't KPMG donate an airframe to Duxford? Isn't a charitable donation some sort of tax benefit?

maybe G-BEJD--last series one to operate in the uk

[TimS]

Perhaps because you are an annoying little tw*t with an obvious personality disorder (apart from more IDs than you can 'shake a stick at') and completely miss the actual purpose of this thread which is to swap relevant information primarily between the poor sods (and their affected families) who have lost their jobs in this collapse of a fairly major operator.

So please go and play somewhere else (or get help) - you offend me, let alone the people who are directly involved in this sorry situation.

If there was ever a justification for bringing back the 'report to moderator' button you are it !

Mods - when you see and delete Disagree's post above please feel free to take mine with it.

[The AvgasDinosaur]

At risk of repeating myself but

Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur

I thought this thread was about the end of Emerald and not an adolescents fantasy column!
Hope everyone gets sorted out soon with new careers, whenever I have met any Gemstone staff they have been caring competant and professional.
Be lucky
David

Be lucky
David

[Bedlamair]

Sad to See

I've been watching the thread and am sad to see the demise of Emerald. As another ex-JEM I know the problems entailed in keeping the operation running. I also remember the massive improvement brought about by MOB when he arrived - we went from 1 trip per frame per night to 2 to 3 (so I probably know Phileas?). The problem was, then, that the incipient pax op to the IOM and the ad-hoc charter was a step in the dark which the company, frankly, didn't really have the depth to undertake - with, shortly afterwards, only 3 or 4 crews really up to carrying out the pax jobs. Despite that, it was reasonably successful (even tho the first ever pax flight was completed with only 1 passenger and the new ac at the time, G-OJEM, took a bad birdstrike on its first positioning departure that wrecked the radome and the new paintjob (beautifully handled abort by DD, though) and had to be replaced with a far shabbier frame!). At that time the much villified MOB was, certainly, no autocrat and rarely did anything entailing ac usage without asking the opinion of a management pilot. If things changed so dramatically thereafter maybe the change was induced from above.. who knows.
Suffice to say, as with most airlines, it was always staffed with guys trying to be as professional and proficient as possible no matter what. My feelings go out to the guys, gals, and spouses, having to deal with the fallout. The very best of luck to you all.

[Emeroid Eng]

Oi DISAGREE

Your post hasn't been deleted, you are just far too stupid to post it in the correct forum.

Try looking under "What roles exist in the freight world"

Keep up the good work, in letting everyone know what a DUMB TW*T you really are.

[shed loads]

E E,

Sorry mate, did you have to tell him. I was hoping if we ignored it/him he would go away.

Good luck to my ex.Streamline colleagues and you Emerald Guys and Gals too., pity we never met.

[MOB P45]

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Originally Posted by Bedlamair

At that time the much villified MOB was, certainly, no autocrat and rarely did anything entailing ac usage without asking the opinion of a management pilot. If things changed so dramatically thereafter maybe the change was induced from above.. who knows.
Suffice to say, as with most airlines, it was always staffed with guys trying to be as professional and proficient as possible no matter what.

I joined just as DW (Chief Pilot) was retiring. He followed BK in that role, i believe. Both excellent in their job and at keeping that vital distance between the crew/aircraft and MOB. The big change, in my opinion, was the appointment of a succession of weak individuals to various Management Pilot roles. This enabled MOB to interfere with crew/aircraft decisions. In turn we then saw safety margins eroded and able post holders being ousted - it became a vicious circle. Once established as the invisible but effective Chief Pilot, MOB would occasionally appoint an able management pilot, but each of those quickly came to realise that their opinion was not required - don't try to interfere but just sit quietly and take the money. From years ago the decline in safety and the Company's fortune was obvious to all, except MOB, and i suppose AJ.
I wholly agree with your assessment of the Crews and most of the Ops/Engineers/Rampies as always trying to do the most professional job with the resources available. Although as time went on most of those who stayed were, i think, forced to do things they would never have done a few years earlier under the old regime.

[EI-CGO]

Just a snippet to anyone still interested the deal hasnt gone through this week, but I am told that it will be all wrapped up this coming Monday.

With only one bid still on the table, they certainly got a good price.

Here's the sucessful new owners of the Great Emerald Car Boot Sale.....

http://www.airwingcvt.com/index.html

[CharterNorthWest]

And the winner IS...

Originally Posted by EI-CGO

Just a snippet to anyone still interested the deal hasnt gone through this week, but I am told that it will be all wrapped up this coming Monday.

With only one bid still on the table, they certainly got a good price.

Here's the sucessful new owners of the Great Emerald Car Boot Sale.....

http://www.airwingcvt.com/index.html

So where does this leave all the engineers that have been hanging on in there???? and what about Emerald Towers?? looks like the airport might get the land after all.

[dogwhistle]

Best wishes to all JEM staff that I had the pleasure to work with in the late 90's and early 00's. I hope all turns out ok for you all. An operator I am working with in East Africa is looking for a 748 pilot; if anyone is interested in a tour of duty in that part of the world, send me a PM.

[Say again s l o w l y]

I hope this airwing crowd do business better than they spell on their website!

[EI-CGO]

Originally Posted by CharterNorthWest

So where does this leave all the engineers that have been hanging on in there???? and what about Emerald Towers?? looks like the airport might get the land after all.

From memory I dont think Emerald Towers was ever on the list of saleable assets (I could be wrong) although the contents certainly were. I imagine that the Airport will try to get in there once the deal is done.

Interestingly the Lexus was not on that list either

I am sure that Airwing will have a bit of work for the engineers, certainly getting permits to fly for some of the aircraft will take a few months anyway !

As most of the aircraft will be going overseas i'm not exactly sure what will happen to JEM Engineering, the rumour of a sort of Management buyout seems to have gone pretty quiet.

[Bedlamair]

You Could be Right

[quote=MOB P45]
The big change, in my opinion, was the appointment of a succession of weak individuals to various Management Pilot roles.

You could well be right. Neither of the 2 Chief Pilots you mention were men that would lightly (ie at all!) allow any interference from above to effect the line operational standards. In fact, at that time, there was a strong management pilot team that supported each other and positively enforced a system whereby any matter to do with Flight Crew was routed through their offices. There was always the potential for, maybe, weaker personalities to have bent under such pressure.

Still, that's just autopsy now. Take strength all those affected by GEM's demise, there's life after Emerald (Danny can testify to that!).