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Cargolux details requested!

Old 19th Dec 2015, 14:42
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How about moving up approximately 900euro in salary after flying 600 hours in the company, is that still in the new contracts?
19th Dec 2015 15:42
No, it's not. This is the jump from F/o to SFO which will be now after 4years in the company. It used to be after 600hrs on type (with more than 3500hrs TT).
This has been replaced now with 48month in the company!
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Old 19th Dec 2015, 15:43
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do you know what the difference is than between Junior FO and FO salary after 12 months?
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Old 19th Dec 2015, 16:18
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do you know what the difference is than between Junior FO and FO salary after 12 months?
Difference will be around 390 brut!
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Old 19th Dec 2015, 18:03
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What about the 13th month, has it been adjusted as well?
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Old 19th Dec 2015, 18:27
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There will be no payment of the 13th month in the first year.
Starting with 25% of the 13th salary in the second year (or pro rata), thereafter 25% increase/year. Full payment of the 13th month after 5 years of service.
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Old 20th Dec 2015, 09:29
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About the money, everyone has to figure out for himself if it's worthwhile or not.

But please bear in mind also, that this is a type of operation where fatigue builds up almost inevitably on most trips. It's not flying A to B, Min.rest at hotel, and back B - A, followed by 3 days off (some 10% of the trips are like that). It's usually A - B - C - D - A, maybe one stop more, maybe one less. Hardly ever a chance to adjust to a timezone, time of the day for a duty is completely random and can change significantly on very short notice.

Afterwards, you therefore NEED adequate time OFF to recover. Under the old conditions, that works out just about. IMHO, it is already very unhealthy, but ok, we get good money in return.

Unfortunately, our CEO (tirelessly stressing that he's a pilot himself!) still seems to think this is as easy or better as flying 500km in a glider in Namibia.

With the new conditions, I personally don't think the rest time provided is sufficient anymore to recover properly during time off.
It also turns the job from "tough on your family" into a rapid-divorce-deal.

Find out for yourself, if you in your individual situation will be able to hold out 4 years until at least the Rest day before Off is yours. To me, it looks like an exciting deal for people want a "livin'-for-a-workin'".

(I would also not count too much on part-time, although they are currently promising the moon about it - it'll go by seniority, and it's blocked for the first 4 years with the company)
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Old 20th Dec 2015, 10:48
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Rednose is 100% right.

The massive wear and tear on your health and private life shows up after a couple of years only.

The rotations which used to be mostly good, occasionally even great, when we had 10 aircraft look much different today with 25+ aircraft.

CV is still a good company compared to others, but please keep in mind that our profession in general has been going down the drain rapidly in the last 20 years.

Good luck to all of you who will join in 2016, but please: I do not want to hear any complaints and discussions about your working conditions when we sit in the same cockpit!

I remember one junior colleague stating some time ago: why do I fly longhaul around the world if I don't see anything anymore?
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 06:27
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Cargolux China is on the way!

Cargolux BOD approves Cargolux China investment
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 14:33
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Total Time lowered?

As far as the rumour goes, the TT requirement has been lowered
....or the lack of experienced pilots willing to sign this contract made it necessary to lower the TT requirement?
I remember times when Cargolux had thousands of applications (of experienced pilots) on file, just in case they were going to hire again.
This scenario right now reminds me a bit of Emirates who lowered their TT requirements just because they cannot find enough people to sign the contract anymore and a lot of experienced guys are leaving.
Why is the company not offering the "old" contract to pilots flying already for 2 years on a temporary Cargolux contract?? They got their contract, although temporary, based on the old conditions.
Not only are these guys supposed to sign the new "Class B" contract, they will also lose the seniority they had for the last 2 years. Who would want to sign a deal like that?
So for them it will be Lufthansa CityLine again, which is understandable and a wise thing to do!
In numbers this means MINUS 26 pilots!!
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 14:37
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They would lose seniority as well
That's not a rumor! They get their seniority backdated to the point in time when they sign their permanent "Class B" contract!
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 14:38
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I should have said: Their contract and their seniority will carry the date of the day they sign their permanent "Class B" contract.
A nice way to scare away qualified people with 2 years on the airplane!
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Old 1st Feb 2016, 15:16
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End of a Great Company

This is the reason why people are leaving after 20+ years. It ll be the new Ryan or Easy, hallo Mr. Holt, in the Cargo Business.
Stay away if you have a job...
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Old 27th Feb 2016, 21:50
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They are starting the recruitment for Cargolux CHINA .
Base is Zhengzhou.
Anyone has inputs about salaries and working conditions?
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Old 28th Feb 2016, 11:25
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I see your point BUT how many positions would they lose in Seniority? 10?
End of January 2016 it would be already 20 guys, with another 24 guys being hired before May, we are talking about close to 50 guys that will bypass you.
And this only counts for the first CLH pilot with an contract expiry date in May.

I hope my Math is correct......
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Old 16th Mar 2016, 09:24
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hi,
If you have time, I need some informations for Cargolux selection. My application is "in progress" since january 21 and I have no news. When did you apply ? Do you have informations for de selection ? Thank you
Best regards.
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Old 16th Mar 2016, 13:16
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hi,
thanks for your answer. I imagine that all the CBT test must be pratice in DLR office ? Do you upload software on internet to training you ? Do you receive quickly an answer after your send your application ?
Whatis your experience ? I am a pilot on b1900 with 5000 hours.
BR.
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Old 16th Mar 2016, 13:53
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Since when did Cargolux use the DLR test for pilot recruitment?
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 09:43
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With start-up of Cargolux China, base in CGO, chinese registration aircraft, how does the company will prevent this polemical issue with chines doctors?

http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...t-control.html
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Hank Moody View Post
Hi All,

I have the DLR test at the end of this month.
was wondering if anyone was going there as well or has been there already.
there is a test called MEK(visuel Memory). seems they change that one. and it its now even harder! cant get more than 50% on MEK test.
anyone wanna share there experience?

regards,
I've got my dlr in april. MEK and RMS are the most difficult to me. I get 75% at MEK but no more than 25% on RMS. Any suggestion how to improve? Good luck to you....
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Old 21st Mar 2016, 15:02
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In response to 30N30W:
I don't think so the wingwaveman failed the DLR test many years ago.

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