So what's up at Polar? (Merged again & again)
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Well BD, you're right!
You actually never said any of that. I got you confused with Fr8dog. In general, your combative, immature tones sounded so much alike, I got a little confused. I apologize.
You actually never SAID anything, after doing a quick research of your previous posts. So, I dont really see the point of you posting at all...
Unless of course your venting frustration over your own career, if infact you have one in the airline industry. All you do is take pot shots at others who care about their career paths. Kinda sad...
Take care.
You actually never said any of that. I got you confused with Fr8dog. In general, your combative, immature tones sounded so much alike, I got a little confused. I apologize.
You actually never SAID anything, after doing a quick research of your previous posts. So, I dont really see the point of you posting at all...
Unless of course your venting frustration over your own career, if infact you have one in the airline industry. All you do is take pot shots at others who care about their career paths. Kinda sad...
Take care.
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miafr8r, you said "In general, your combative, immature tones sounded so much alike, I got a little confused". I think you have been confused quite a bit. And don't you think you are the pot talking to the kettle? If World will have you, good-bye to bad rubbish!
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Polar purchase???
Oh Fr8Dog....
Oh heavens! If you're buying that line, you're a "for sure" wannabe!
I wish I had $1 for everytime I heard "so and so" was gonna buy us!
I cant believe you said that...
"Pot talking to the kettle"? My posts havent been filled with the vile filth yours has, my good friend.
I havent been the one jumping for joy when 300 pilots put their careers on the line by going on strike, hoping and gleefull at the prospect of them losing their jobs.
You sound like a child who's sibling got in trouble for playing hookie from school and you're the one who ratted them out to mommy. And you couldnt wait for them to get their spanking!
If you're really a pilot, I'll bet you're a real peach to fly with.
If World will have you, good-bye to bad rubbish!
I wish I had $1 for everytime I heard "so and so" was gonna buy us!
I cant believe you said that...
"Pot talking to the kettle"? My posts havent been filled with the vile filth yours has, my good friend.
I havent been the one jumping for joy when 300 pilots put their careers on the line by going on strike, hoping and gleefull at the prospect of them losing their jobs.
You sound like a child who's sibling got in trouble for playing hookie from school and you're the one who ratted them out to mommy. And you couldnt wait for them to get their spanking!
If you're really a pilot, I'll bet you're a real peach to fly with.
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MF
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Perhaps you should stick to flying those little 172's and leave the big airplanes to the professionals; and big problems to men who can discuss them without such defensiveness and churlishness.
If Fr8dog is one of those Atlas pilots that supported you he deserves your thanks not your nasty comments. Without him and his fellow Atlas pilots you would not now have a job as AAWWH would not have come back to the table. You were in effect locked out. It was only after the Atlas MEC asked their pilots not to cross your (soon to be determined illegal by the US federal Court) picket lines that AAWWH was forced back to good faith bargaining - as I have said in all my posts the Atlas pilots were the ONLY pilot group that could help you. And yet YOU STILL insist on dumping on them. You certainly fit the bill of the spoiled child crying to mommy a whole lot better than fr8dog.
Perhaps you should stick to flying those little 172's and leave the big airplanes to the professionals; and big problems to men who can discuss them without such defensiveness and churlishness.
If Fr8dog is one of those Atlas pilots that supported you he deserves your thanks not your nasty comments. Without him and his fellow Atlas pilots you would not now have a job as AAWWH would not have come back to the table. You were in effect locked out. It was only after the Atlas MEC asked their pilots not to cross your (soon to be determined illegal by the US federal Court) picket lines that AAWWH was forced back to good faith bargaining - as I have said in all my posts the Atlas pilots were the ONLY pilot group that could help you. And yet YOU STILL insist on dumping on them. You certainly fit the bill of the spoiled child crying to mommy a whole lot better than fr8dog.
Warning.
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BD,
I have nothing but admiration for the Atlas, Arrow and other crewmembers who honored our picket lines and struck freight rules.
Those individuals will never be able to buy a drink in my presence.
My comments were directed only at you two.
I suggest you review your previous posts and reflect on your comments if you insist on judging childish behavior.
Labor disputes stir emotions on both sides of the issue. You may be an intellegent individual and a thoughtful pilot, but your posts suggest otherwise.
If fr8Dog honored our lines, I'll gladly cover his bar tab! The tone of his posts however, suggest otherwise as well.
BD, perhaps you should get back in a 172 and remember why you got in this line of work to begin with. Hell, I'll give you a ride in mine if you want!
CR2, where were you a week ago?
Oh and BD, concerning your comments regarding the TRO\'s:
Both lawsuits concerning the TRO have been dropped by all parties when the TA was ratified.
I thought you\'d like to know since you like getting the facts straight.
Take care
I have nothing but admiration for the Atlas, Arrow and other crewmembers who honored our picket lines and struck freight rules.
Those individuals will never be able to buy a drink in my presence.
My comments were directed only at you two.
I suggest you review your previous posts and reflect on your comments if you insist on judging childish behavior.
Labor disputes stir emotions on both sides of the issue. You may be an intellegent individual and a thoughtful pilot, but your posts suggest otherwise.
If fr8Dog honored our lines, I'll gladly cover his bar tab! The tone of his posts however, suggest otherwise as well.
BD, perhaps you should get back in a 172 and remember why you got in this line of work to begin with. Hell, I'll give you a ride in mine if you want!
CR2, where were you a week ago?
Oh and BD, concerning your comments regarding the TRO\'s:
(soon to be determined illegal by the US federal Court)
I thought you\'d like to know since you like getting the facts straight.
Take care
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Kev,
Why you continue to stir the pot or to reply to some of these posts, I don't know. We've talked before and I know you're smarter than that. I'm sure the 2 guys that are going at it on these boards are big enough to defend themselves, and you know that neither of them is right. So why not let it go?
Did you ever really believe that they were going to shut down PO? Did you ever believe that AAWH had a buyer and would sell us as soon as we walked? Did you ever believe that the newfires would never come back with the airplanes? Did you ever think that either side, Mgmt or the PO MEC, would risk losing 4 slots on Wed and 2 more on Fri in NRT? That's really what brought both sides to the table, not the threats of being shut down. I'm sure that with your position you were privy to a lot of info, so why continue the game, it's over
To come back to BF, many of us here have never even met the guy or seen what's on the infamous letter you're talking about. Why not educate the group? You can PM that letter to me if you want and I can pass it around since we never had the honor of reading it and understanding what many of you guys are talking about, from both sides BTW. If what you say is true then maybe we should both work on removing him from the merger committee, but until you show me/us the facts, how can we know if what you say is true? I repeat, a large number here don't even know what it's all about...
As for the sale of PO, come on Kev, although it would probably be best for both sides, it's really getting old. So old that if it actually does happen one day, no one will even pay attention to the press release
I'll end by thanking ALL Atlas pilots that helped, and I know that NO PO pilots will forget them. I know many who will have the list in their back pocket and will thank & treat them at the next layover when they meet them.
Kev, I'd really appreciate a PM with that letter. It might be time to educate the group that doesn't know what you're talking about.
How about breakfast in ICN?
Cheerios
Why you continue to stir the pot or to reply to some of these posts, I don't know. We've talked before and I know you're smarter than that. I'm sure the 2 guys that are going at it on these boards are big enough to defend themselves, and you know that neither of them is right. So why not let it go?
Did you ever really believe that they were going to shut down PO? Did you ever believe that AAWH had a buyer and would sell us as soon as we walked? Did you ever believe that the newfires would never come back with the airplanes? Did you ever think that either side, Mgmt or the PO MEC, would risk losing 4 slots on Wed and 2 more on Fri in NRT? That's really what brought both sides to the table, not the threats of being shut down. I'm sure that with your position you were privy to a lot of info, so why continue the game, it's over
To come back to BF, many of us here have never even met the guy or seen what's on the infamous letter you're talking about. Why not educate the group? You can PM that letter to me if you want and I can pass it around since we never had the honor of reading it and understanding what many of you guys are talking about, from both sides BTW. If what you say is true then maybe we should both work on removing him from the merger committee, but until you show me/us the facts, how can we know if what you say is true? I repeat, a large number here don't even know what it's all about...
As for the sale of PO, come on Kev, although it would probably be best for both sides, it's really getting old. So old that if it actually does happen one day, no one will even pay attention to the press release
I'll end by thanking ALL Atlas pilots that helped, and I know that NO PO pilots will forget them. I know many who will have the list in their back pocket and will thank & treat them at the next layover when they meet them.
Kev, I'd really appreciate a PM with that letter. It might be time to educate the group that doesn't know what you're talking about.
How about breakfast in ICN?
Cheerios
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Not much to add ,as this is a very contenious issue.I use Polar to commute back and fro to Kiwi through Oz.The Polar boys are a bloody good lot,all the best to them in this endevour.You are welcome on my jumpseat anytime(HP)
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YAK YAK YAK
Words and threats...but most were from the Polar wives!!! Do you know that they were the primary cause of the foul language and trying to roll over the Atlas crew vans???? Oh, and it is also rumoured that the person who kicked in the DHL van door was also a Polar wife...Damn, no wonder Polar pilots like to stay out on the road for 23 days...and willingly!!!!!
The TA included protection for the pilots who set up and honored the picket lines...it did not include protection for their wives...
The TA included protection for the pilots who set up and honored the picket lines...it did not include protection for their wives...
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I think that it is time Fr8Dog and Beaverdriver get a grip. I walked the picket line with the Polar guys and I never saw any of the nonsense you ramble on about. Also, I will give you a quote by Erickson"The reason I will not raise the bar above 10.5 for Polar is we plan to cut the Atlas salary in the merger" unquote.
Isn't time to call it quits to this thread.
Isn't time to call it quits to this thread.
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Tiger ....Guy?
hahahahaha....
.....and where is THAT quote?
Atlas isn't paid a "salary" and Erickson never said that.
And, if you don't have a "dog in this fight" then why say anything? And why would you walk a picket line without having a dog in the fight? All of us had pretty much called it quits on this thread (I certainly had) - until you found the need to post. wtfo?
Oh and which picket line did you walk? The one that picketed the Dimond parking lot on 7th avenue in ANC? Or perhaps you were on the line in Burwash Landing that struck the whole state of Alaska? Or maybe you were on the line in SEA that struck the entire continent of North America? Tell me oh wise one - WHERE DOES IT END?
READ THE THREAD. The 'roids were not picketing the common enemy! They were focused on the only entity in the world that could have REALLY helped them - the Atlas pilots. They were picketing individual Atlas pilots, not AAWWH. Why?
Pat,
Maybe you can explain it. If you figured that AAWWH would come back to the table from the mourning for their "lucrative" Japan landing rights then WHY did you feel the need to focus on individual Atlas pilots and not picket the office or the airport like you should have.
The simple answer is that your MEC felt that the only way he was going to get movement from the company was by shutting down Atlas through the pilots. When the ATLAS pilots shut down ANC - and AAWWH got a TRO, it backfired. AAWWH could have (within the TRO) required Atlas pilots to fly Polar Cargo and Polar routes as well as Polar airplanes (if they could have shifted them to the certificate in time). The simple fact of the matter is that the TRO is why Bobbbbb even went back to the table - because he recognized that the TRO was REALLY bad for you guys. Sorry but "thems the facts."
.....and where is THAT quote?
Atlas isn't paid a "salary" and Erickson never said that.
And, if you don't have a "dog in this fight" then why say anything? And why would you walk a picket line without having a dog in the fight? All of us had pretty much called it quits on this thread (I certainly had) - until you found the need to post. wtfo?
Oh and which picket line did you walk? The one that picketed the Dimond parking lot on 7th avenue in ANC? Or perhaps you were on the line in Burwash Landing that struck the whole state of Alaska? Or maybe you were on the line in SEA that struck the entire continent of North America? Tell me oh wise one - WHERE DOES IT END?
READ THE THREAD. The 'roids were not picketing the common enemy! They were focused on the only entity in the world that could have REALLY helped them - the Atlas pilots. They were picketing individual Atlas pilots, not AAWWH. Why?
Pat,
Maybe you can explain it. If you figured that AAWWH would come back to the table from the mourning for their "lucrative" Japan landing rights then WHY did you feel the need to focus on individual Atlas pilots and not picket the office or the airport like you should have.
The simple answer is that your MEC felt that the only way he was going to get movement from the company was by shutting down Atlas through the pilots. When the ATLAS pilots shut down ANC - and AAWWH got a TRO, it backfired. AAWWH could have (within the TRO) required Atlas pilots to fly Polar Cargo and Polar routes as well as Polar airplanes (if they could have shifted them to the certificate in time). The simple fact of the matter is that the TRO is why Bobbbbb even went back to the table - because he recognized that the TRO was REALLY bad for you guys. Sorry but "thems the facts."
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So are Polar and Atlas going to merge to become one (very grumpy) company?
The moral of this thread is that if you hire the proper lawyers and accountants you can prove anything you want to be true.......
Sadly. Good wishes and godspeed to you all.
The moral of this thread is that if you hire the proper lawyers and accountants you can prove anything you want to be true.......
Sadly. Good wishes and godspeed to you all.
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Ok, Maybe it's my turn to close a thread. But I suspect not.
Polar entered their strike hoping to get the same hourly rate as Atlas. Wasn't gonna happen, considering their work rules and rigs.
Polar is pissed at being a step child. Born of Ned and Mark, given up to GE, and now in the hands of AAWWH. And not making any money.
Polar figures that the Japanase LR are more important than anything, and strikes.
Polar forgets that they forced a Judge to validate tha Alliance agreement.
Atlas flys their schedule, drops all the Polar flights, to no affect, Polar is a losing proposition, dropping the PAC flights actually results in a net gain for AAWWH.
Polar then shuts down Atlas. Now the "stuff" happens.
Assertions of scabbing, assaults, name calling, etc.
Polar finally got back in, not cause of a concerted ALPA action, because of a unified Atlas Action.
Polar should be sold. Again. As a stockholder in AAWWH, that's my recommendation.
I've flown with both companies, and I'll be glad when Polar is a total part of my past.
Someone, please give World 25 bucks to take these guys off my back.
Polar entered their strike hoping to get the same hourly rate as Atlas. Wasn't gonna happen, considering their work rules and rigs.
Polar is pissed at being a step child. Born of Ned and Mark, given up to GE, and now in the hands of AAWWH. And not making any money.
Polar figures that the Japanase LR are more important than anything, and strikes.
Polar forgets that they forced a Judge to validate tha Alliance agreement.
Atlas flys their schedule, drops all the Polar flights, to no affect, Polar is a losing proposition, dropping the PAC flights actually results in a net gain for AAWWH.
Polar then shuts down Atlas. Now the "stuff" happens.
Assertions of scabbing, assaults, name calling, etc.
Polar finally got back in, not cause of a concerted ALPA action, because of a unified Atlas Action.
Polar should be sold. Again. As a stockholder in AAWWH, that's my recommendation.
I've flown with both companies, and I'll be glad when Polar is a total part of my past.
Someone, please give World 25 bucks to take these guys off my back.