I don't have a dog in this fight but I think that it is time Fr8Dog and Beaverdriver get a grip. I walked the picket line with the Polar guys and I never saw any of the nonsense you ramble on about. Also, I will give you a quote by Erickson"The reason I will not raise the bar above 10.5 for Polar is we plan to cut the Atlas salary in the merger" unquote.
Isn't time to call it quits to this thread.