So what's up at Polar? (Merged again & again)
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Hey Goatherder,
Do you want the full video, just the one where the idiots are kicking in the sides of the ACS van, or just the stills? If you want the stills I will have to edit out the cross hairs so it might take a while.
Do you want the full video, just the one where the idiots are kicking in the sides of the ACS van, or just the stills? If you want the stills I will have to edit out the cross hairs so it might take a while.
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Polar TA Passed
.The TA has been ratified.
It was approved by nearly 75%.
Beaver Driver,
So, you were considering committing a capitol crime over this labor action?
Perhaps your email should be forwarded to the attorney in AK.
Speaks volumes of your character...
It was approved by nearly 75%.
Beaver Driver,
If you want the stills I will have to edit out the cross hairs so it might take a while.
Perhaps your email should be forwarded to the attorney in AK.
Speaks volumes of your character...
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LOL - you have the temerity to question my character?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Just taken thru a spotting scope - best way to get really close up shots of faces from a distance.
Are you really that nervous about your actions?
Well this was a REALLY stupid strike. What did it get the 'roids - less than Cato's final offer and now you will have to ride in the same cockpit as those Atlas pilots you think are scabs. Oh what fun!
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Just taken thru a spotting scope - best way to get really close up shots of faces from a distance.
Are you really that nervous about your actions?
Well this was a REALLY stupid strike. What did it get the 'roids - less than Cato's final offer and now you will have to ride in the same cockpit as those Atlas pilots you think are scabs. Oh what fun!
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we did't leave the pfe's or probatiorary member's behind,we got a 10.5% raise , a 5% contribution on the 401k,and a 4% payout next year. no change to work rules. all airplanes back.
perfect? no.
could we have gotten more? maybe
better than cato's false initial 10.5% with strings attached? yes
better than cato's last offer on the 16?yes
better than cato's offer on the 30? yes
we have learned a lot and we will not do to you as you did to us. you will not find one single polar pilot crossing your atlas lines if and when it comes to that.
good luck on you next contract negotiations.
perfect? no.
could we have gotten more? maybe
better than cato's false initial 10.5% with strings attached? yes
better than cato's last offer on the 16?yes
better than cato's offer on the 30? yes
we have learned a lot and we will not do to you as you did to us. you will not find one single polar pilot crossing your atlas lines if and when it comes to that.
good luck on you next contract negotiations.
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we actually did walk. we walked picked lines and you scab right pass them.
you boys at atlas did not even have the balls to walk out last time.
we walked even after your weak MEC did not offer the support they had promised and after you atlas guys ( not all of them) scab.
you boys at atlas did not even have the balls to walk out last time.
we walked even after your weak MEC did not offer the support they had promised and after you atlas guys ( not all of them) scab.
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beaverdriver and fr8dog,
Both of you are quite amusing!
Tell the truth, did you two steal your father(s) password(s) to get on this site?
If infact you do work for an airline, see your Chief Pilot and get a physc eval. You two are losing it...
If you SCABBED our picket line, you have good reason to be defensive and stressed out. Your career(s) will be changed forever.
Yea, I know. I expect to hear more banter, threats, insults and more child like behavior from you and your fellow SCABS and SCAB wannabe's.
Both of you are quite amusing!
Tell the truth, did you two steal your father(s) password(s) to get on this site?
If infact you do work for an airline, see your Chief Pilot and get a physc eval. You two are losing it...
If you SCABBED our picket line, you have good reason to be defensive and stressed out. Your career(s) will be changed forever.
Yea, I know. I expect to hear more banter, threats, insults and more child like behavior from you and your fellow SCABS and SCAB wannabe's.
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miaf8r, you still refuse to address the 3 1/2% raise and the 6 month extension the Polar pilots took instead of getting on the "UNION BANDWAGON" The last minute change of mind of your then MEC about struck work and how many Atlas tails you
"BIG UNION CLOSED SHOP" guys would fly. And last but not least,
Filing of the grievance to have Atlas stop flying "POLAR" routes that were Atlas routes to begin with. Seems you have a very selective memory.
"BIG UNION CLOSED SHOP" guys would fly. And last but not least,
Filing of the grievance to have Atlas stop flying "POLAR" routes that were Atlas routes to begin with. Seems you have a very selective memory.
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miaf8r, you still refuse to address the 3 1/2% raise and the 6 month extension the Polar pilots took instead of getting on the "UNION BANDWAGON"
We signed that 6 month extension AFTER Atlas entered the 30 day cooling off period. One had NOTHING to do with the other. Look at the timeline.
As far as Polar flying Atlas tails? Gee, you guys had been flying Polar callsigns for quite some time BEFORE you entered cooling off. Your staffing was as artificially high as ours was artificially low. I know you personally had nothing to do with that, but the facts are the facts.
You never answered my previous question. How do you justify calling an ACMI flight "struck"?
I'll help you out. You cant! All you CAN DO is picket your airport operations, training center, and maybe crew hotels and HOPE your union brothers and sisters honor your picket line.
SOUND FAMILIAR?.....
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Your timeline is wrong. If I had the interest I would reseach it for you - but that kind of research usually nets me a few thousand bucks (kind of like the pictures I took). From my perspective it appears that once again Atlas Pilots -
Saved your Company's Arrogant Butts Before your Employment Died.
Oh and GD - Isn't the next contract going to be with the combined seniority list of both companies?? - once again you prove that you are in need of a brain as the one you are currently using isn't working properly.
Saved your Company's Arrogant Butts Before your Employment Died.
Oh and GD - Isn't the next contract going to be with the combined seniority list of both companies?? - once again you prove that you are in need of a brain as the one you are currently using isn't working properly.
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BD, as of rigth now, aawwh will negotiate with Atlas for their next contract. at the same time, they will negotiate with a polar/atlas team for the combine contract of the combine senority list. the reason for that is that aawwh does not have to merge anything if they don't like what the arbitrator decides ( the arbitrator will decide on the merge contract, there is no way cato will agree to anything that polar/atlas offers). also , as aawwh said during our negotiations, they will seek pay cuts from atlas, so an arbitrator can compare to less ,not more.
you guys will have to negotiate on yuor own, maybe, in 18 months we wil negotiate as one, but maybe not.
that is why I said good luck. i say it again good luck , unlike you, we won't scab you.
good day.
you guys will have to negotiate on yuor own, maybe, in 18 months we wil negotiate as one, but maybe not.
that is why I said good luck. i say it again good luck , unlike you, we won't scab you.
good day.
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Not true - AAWWH will not be negotiating two contracts at once.
Additionally I am wondering what part of "binding arbitration" you don't understand. Perhaps you should actually read your ALPA policy manual on mergers.
Additionally I am wondering what part of "binding arbitration" you don't understand. Perhaps you should actually read your ALPA policy manual on mergers.
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fr8dog, there will be seat and equipment locks, as in previous alpa mergers . as to how long those locks will be.....well, we could make some $ and run a poll , is anyones guess.
bvr drvr, we (atlas and polar) are binded by the arbitrator decision, and so is aawwh, unless, is not financialy viable for aawwh. that is what both our MEC have a big problem with ,
and yes, aawwh wil negotiate with atlas alone very soon .
again , if the merger doesn't happen, good luck and we will support you.
bvr drvr, we (atlas and polar) are binded by the arbitrator decision, and so is aawwh, unless, is not financialy viable for aawwh. that is what both our MEC have a big problem with ,
and yes, aawwh wil negotiate with atlas alone very soon .
again , if the merger doesn't happen, good luck and we will support you.
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BeaverDriver,
Your words:
I wouldnt be so quick to make assumptions.
You were wrong about how long the strike would last...
You were wrong about Polar being shut down...
You were wrong about Polar signing the TA...
You're batting a thousand right now! Good thing you're not a professional gambler or an Airline analyist...
I suspect you'll stay on your "winning streak" with this assumption as well.
Your words:
So now when the merger takes place, what do you suppose will happen to the Polar Captains that are 3 and 4 years junior to some of the Atlas F/O's. Gonna be fun!
You were wrong about how long the strike would last...
You were wrong about Polar being shut down...
You were wrong about Polar signing the TA...
You're batting a thousand right now! Good thing you're not a professional gambler or an Airline analyist...
I suspect you'll stay on your "winning streak" with this assumption as well.
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miafr8r
Actually NOT my words. That quote came from another person (Fr8dog I think). So now I will ask you - Are you really a pilot? What is your batting average? On this post alone it is ZERO.
I never opined about how long the strike would last. Read the thread.
If the Atlas Pilots had not supported your silly job-action you would have been shut down. Seems I underestimated your worth to your Atlas brothers.
I didn't publish an opinion whether the 'roids would sign the TA or not. Although If I had I would have bet they would chicken out just as they did. They didn't know how to (or were too lazy to) conduct a real strike, why sign a real contract.
Having said that, however, I do believe that the combined cockpit will be a mess. You have only to look at the Delta/Western and NWA/Republic mergers to see that the animosity is still on-going. This one will be no different.
Just remember my friend - what goes around, comes around.
I never opined about how long the strike would last. Read the thread.
If the Atlas Pilots had not supported your silly job-action you would have been shut down. Seems I underestimated your worth to your Atlas brothers.
I didn't publish an opinion whether the 'roids would sign the TA or not. Although If I had I would have bet they would chicken out just as they did. They didn't know how to (or were too lazy to) conduct a real strike, why sign a real contract.
Having said that, however, I do believe that the combined cockpit will be a mess. You have only to look at the Delta/Western and NWA/Republic mergers to see that the animosity is still on-going. This one will be no different.
Just remember my friend - what goes around, comes around.