So what's up at Polar? (Merged again & again)
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Whale,
there has never been a last best offer, better yet there is no offer at all. Next time you and JC get under the sheets, before you say nite nite and give him a smooch, ask him why he's being such a bad boy. We're trembling here, the wait is unbearable, pure torture. You wouldn't know what his next step is besides terminating the next batch on Monday would you? We need to know, please help us Whale.................
there has never been a last best offer, better yet there is no offer at all. Next time you and JC get under the sheets, before you say nite nite and give him a smooch, ask him why he's being such a bad boy. We're trembling here, the wait is unbearable, pure torture. You wouldn't know what his next step is besides terminating the next batch on Monday would you? We need to know, please help us Whale.................
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UA to buy Polar from Atlas??
Seems the latest rumor circulating around UA head office is that
UA is going to buy Polar from Atlas and set up a Cargo operation at HNL.
On the surface does not seem feasible as UA is still using Bankruptcy as their own personal Bank. Where does one
come up with Hundreds of millions of dollars when you have
no assets to leverage??
Is there any truth to this rumor or is this just "water cooler" fodder???
UA is going to buy Polar from Atlas and set up a Cargo operation at HNL.
On the surface does not seem feasible as UA is still using Bankruptcy as their own personal Bank. Where does one
come up with Hundreds of millions of dollars when you have
no assets to leverage??
Is there any truth to this rumor or is this just "water cooler" fodder???
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Why would Polar cost hundreds of millions? Atlas Holdings bought it for a song from GECAS. All that would be left after the -400s are stripped would be a few unprofitable routes and a half dozen leased -100s and -200s...
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If UPS were to buy Polar it may not fare well for Polar pilots. When UPS bought Challenge Air Cargo a few years ago [to get access into Brasil], Challenge pilots were put out on the street without even job offers at UPS. It's a dog-eat-dog world 
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Is there any truth that the PO 400s currently in heavy checks (N451PO? & another?) will come out with a simple blue tail without the logo? 'Tis what I heard.
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I think CR2 has it spot on, ive heard similar rumours about the UPS deal, though from what i remember i dont think Polar paid the extra $$$$$$ when they got their -400F's so they dont have the extended ZFW data, though i cud b wrong!
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loadingmanual I'm pretty sure they do have extended zfw.
Have a look
here
The numbers indicate extended to me (I'm assuming that what they call Maximum Cabin Load is net weight, excluding ULDs).
Have a look
here
The numbers indicate extended to me (I'm assuming that what they call Maximum Cabin Load is net weight, excluding ULDs).
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You got it all wrong guys, the PO planes are going to America West, the routes to USAir, and the pilots to KoksukAir, a new french outfit that plans on sending escargots by the ton to the victims of Katrina, but please don't tell anyone 
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Matatu, then 121T gross is a little low for a 400... You know the a/c; extended? Strange number.
As for the rest: this here be a rumo(u)r network, am just posting what I hear. Perhaps I should have mentioned in the beginning: UPS would buy the traffic rights. Allegedly.
As for the rest: this here be a rumo(u)r network, am just posting what I hear. Perhaps I should have mentioned in the beginning: UPS would buy the traffic rights. Allegedly.
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If you mean landing slots when you say traffic rights, then we can put this one to rest straight away. Polar has "rights" to both China and Japan that are not transferable to anyone, not even to Atlas. They go with the operating certificate and certain performance criteria (such as on time etc) must be maintained or they can be taken away and reallocated. PO does not own them per say and cannot trade, barter, sell them or use them for a downpayment on a new Ford Mondeo.
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As far as the sale of Polar or it's certificate there is a 15 day government requirement to announce a sale. So far there has been no filing.
And thanks for kind words flite idle!
And thanks for kind words flite idle!
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When UPS bought Challenge...many of the Challenge pilots were from the "wrong side" of the Eastern strike..that might have had something to do with the fact they did not take the pilot group...as mentioned above..let's not be in too much of a hurry to "pick Polar's bones clean...
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At least everyone will be home for the "partay". Word on the street, PAC is shutting down. Crews being sent home. AAWH must not have the Atlas MEC in their back pocket like they did with the Polar MEC three years ago, or they wouldn't be wasting their time sending the crews home.
Eleven hours is a lifetime when it comes to cooling off periods. We'll see.
Eleven hours is a lifetime when it comes to cooling off periods. We'll see.