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AQIS Boigu 1st January 2024 12:54

Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

KABOY 1st January 2024 22:37


Originally Posted by AQIS Boigu (Post 11565578)
Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

Oh yes he is, the architect of COS18 is back !

ZootBoot 1st January 2024 22:42


Originally Posted by AQIS Boigu (Post 11565578)
Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

I hope that isn’t true. I’d heard on the rumour mill that he left on not-so-great terms given the ****storm he created.

It’s a bit like have Mr Joyce come and do some consulting at Qantas. Or having Mr Dahmer do some consulting at The Savoy Grill.

Gnadenburg 1st January 2024 23:22


Originally Posted by KABOY (Post 11565840)
Oh yes he is, the architect of COS18 is back !

He has thousands of loyal disciples? How’s the pilot attrition of late?

KABOY 2nd January 2024 08:29


Originally Posted by Gnadenburg (Post 11565861)
He has thousands of loyal disciples? How’s the pilot attrition of late?

Pilot attrition will only ever become a problem when Greg decides that an improvement in CoS18 is due. It should improve just enough to attract the Malaysians and Indians away from their legacy carriers.

After all he’s a consultant now , all care and no responsibility.

Alex and Ronald will need to shoulder this one.

Babyjet_dododo 2nd January 2024 08:50


Originally Posted by KABOY (Post 11566009)
Pilot attrition will only ever become a problem when Greg decides that an improvement in CoS18 is due. It should improve just enough to attract the Malaysians and Indians away from their legacy carriers.

After all he’s a consultant now , all care and no responsibility.

Alex and Ronald will need to shoulder this one.


They will never be short of pilots, just too many aircrafts 🤣🤣🤣.

Good luck to them rebuilding the schedule, chances are the training department will suffer, they’ll be pressured to pass people with inadequate training.

Freehills 2nd January 2024 11:05


Originally Posted by AQIS Boigu (Post 11565578)
Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-hughes-55984b107/
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    • Post retirement from my full time executive career at Cathay Pacific and the Swire Group, I have been retained as an Advisor to Cathay Pacific Airways.

mngmt mole 2nd January 2024 13:16

So the fox is coming back into the hen house. What could go wrong. Putting a pilot hater back into an management role at CX is certainly going to go a long way in helping restore the relationship between the pilots and managements :/

400 Jockey 2nd January 2024 14:19

Former dudes who are ex-777 that left after doing a short term on the 747 want to return to the 777 but they are being refused and told that the 747 is the only option. Meanwhile, flights are being cancelled. :ugh:

Babyjet_dododo 2nd January 2024 14:41


Originally Posted by 400 Jockey (Post 11566463)
Former dudes who are ex-777 that left after doing a short term on the 747 want to return to the 777 but they are being refused and told that the 747 is the only option. Meanwhile, flights are being cancelled. :ugh:

Why are you surprised? This is the typical failures of the planning department and their famous phrase “Cannot”!

Oasis 2nd January 2024 19:06

Amazing. They will never learn.

Maybe he could suggest another paycut?

mngmt mole 2nd January 2024 19:40

Oh, i'm sure he will...

Progress Wanchai 3rd January 2024 03:36


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 11566680)
Amazing. They will never learn.

Maybe he could suggest another paycut?

There’s no chance of that happening. Senior management are still licking their wounds after the fierce industrial backlash following the pilots’ 40% permanent pay cut for crew to be locked up in isolation while management took a meagre temporary cut to sit behind a desk and go home every night.

They’ve learnt their lesson.

(Assuming of course counting your MPP while watching your colleagues walk out the door is considered industrial action and hurting yourself laughing is considered a wound).

main_dog 3rd January 2024 09:09

Ouch.

jjmclure 8th January 2024 01:12


Originally Posted by controlledrest (Post 11564250)
If CX can't cover seasonal illness then it isn't a crew illness problem, it is a lack of pilots problem (caused by Mis-Management) to cover what naturally occurs.

They have given up on direct entry FOs and Capts - apart from the wrongly terminated returnees, they were only getting aviation misfits. The big push is to recruit and train up SOs, but this will take years.

In the short term the GMO is putting together an application to HKCAD to lift the limit to 1000 hours. They will argue that with the JCR and BAM they can manage the fatigue. Another thing on their side is the complete disconnect between fatigue and its reporting. If you take Controlled Rest file an ASR-F. If you are too tired to do a duty don't call sick, call 'unable fatigue' and file an ASR-F.

If you think 1000 hours will mean more pay, you are deluded. They will adjust the thresholds.

They may have trouble with their 1000 hr application, as CAAC only allow mainland China Pilots to fly 900hrs.

Dragon Pacific 8th January 2024 02:27


Originally Posted by jjmclure (Post 11570953)
They may have trouble with their 1000 hr application, as CAAC only allow mainland China Pilots to fly 900hrs.

As in understand it more than 900hrs isn’t easy as it requires a change to the ANO.

bluesideoops 8th January 2024 03:33


Originally Posted by Dragon Pacific (Post 11570992)
As in understand it more than 900hrs isn’t easy as it requires a change to the ANO.

Yes, good luck on that front, there is no way they'll get the ANO changed. The best they could hope for would be an exemption to the requirement which would require a significant safety case.

YeahNahYeah 8th January 2024 09:27


Originally Posted by bluesideoops (Post 11571016)
Yes, good luck on that front, there is no way they'll get the ANO changed. The best they could hope for would be an exemption to the requirement which would require a significant safety case.

the case writes itself: it's unsafe for swire's annual report. enough said!

YeahNahYeah 8th January 2024 09:28


Originally Posted by mngmt mole (Post 11566409)
So the fox is coming back into the hen house. What could go wrong. Putting a pilot hater back into an management role at CX is certainly going to go a long way in helping restore the relationship between the pilots and managements :/

I guess one upside is that if he's contracting direct, and not through the overlords, then a lowly swire GM ranks higher on the pecking order?

freightdoggiedog 11th January 2024 08:54

Task force
 
Let’s see. Since 2019 we have lost:

-40% of our fixed pay

-housing assistance, in the most expensive real estate market in the world

-schooling assistance greatly slashed

-ALL bases, with absolutely no prospect of them ever coming back

-approximately 60% of our guaranteed monthly Provident Fund payments

-medical insurance greatly reduced, especially for family

-one/two weeks of yearly leave

-any certainty on how much you will get paid on any given month

-any visibility on your career progression, with seniority now being meaningless for upgrades & DECs and DEFOs

-any number of small perks, like being able to have family on jumpseats, or even simply get a positioning duty changed to another date (cannot)

I can’t for the life of me figure out what aircrew are whining about, hopefully the task force can figure it out


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