Agreed. Read the post just above this one...

How do we train S/Os? Beatings, mostly.
Is race a factor? Absolutely no Klingons allowed.
Do we get physical at he controls? You mean, like beatings? Yes, yes, we do.

An ability to understand the English language is a prerequisite for applying to the iCadet scheme. A sense of humour is also a must.

Prospective Cathay Pacific pilots' English lesson for the day:

'Wind-up' (pronounced 'wynde up', and note the hyphen), in the context of my previous posts: to stir, to cause trouble, to act as an internet 'troll'. A 'wind-up merchant', a colloquial term, is one who does this, often to achieve an agenda, such as recruiters and management 'moles' on a 'wannabe' thread. 'Wind up' (no hyphen) means to close or finish, as this dreadful 'iCadet' scheme should be.

'Getting the wind up' ('wind' pronounced with a short 'i') is a slightly vulgar term for being afraid, as I will if the system allows some of these applicants to operate wide-bodied airliners without rigorous standards of English, technical and flying ability, and interpersonal skills being maintained.

'Fresher': an excruciating term used mainly by aspiring pilots from the sub-continent, often in conjunction with 'gen y text speak'. In Western countries this term is normally used in the context of adolescents just out of college or high school, who are entering their first year of university.

I won't explain the terms undercut, 'Parker pen' hours, Hong Kong Accommodation, Forgiveable Loan, English language standard, competence and experience.

That will be your homework for today :8.

Forget about it Dart.

The new generation ( Y ? ) don't give a hoot for experience. It doesn't matter whether they are Indian, Australian, American etc. they think anyone can do the job no experience required. Our experience is falling on deaf Ears. :(

Capt. Underpants
 

Peace yo!......

Crack a beer, grab some popcorn and put feet up.........this will be entertaining.

Ixg888, i hate to break it to you but the other half of the battle, for someone like you, is getting your Taj Mahal sized ego through the L1 door.

Did you watch the news/see the pics not so long ago? That would answer your question :)

And another thing...

CX are actively recruiting in countries where:

Society is fundamentally corrupt and no culture of accountability exists...

Licencing authorities are rotten and licenses, exam results and jobs are bought and sold...

Recruitment is being farmed out to a third party where, again, an interview (or a spot on the roster) is sold to the highest bidder...

Fundamentalism - Muslim, sikh and national - is epidemic...

No background checks are mandated by the Hong Kong immigration or aviation authority (and therefore, not done)...

These Indian, Pakistani and Malaysian wannabes are being treated (in the name of political correctness) like any candidate from a developed society...

We are headed for disaster. I can see it already, a Cathay 747 heading at the Eiffel tower, some ash hole screaming "Allah uAhkbar" at the top of his misguided, demented voice.

Have Cathay well and truly lost their minds?

holy cow! Listen to yourself, you wuss! you talk about fundamentalism and all that rubbish. your people are bringing racism into the picture. so cut it out.

again. like the sensible guy 'smurf84' mentioned, don't generalise the entire issue here..."these indians, pakistanis, malaysians" are being treated like any candidate from a developed country??? Get a grip. there is nothing special about you. do you get that? absolutely nothing.

look at you people crying out loud like a bunch of :mad: when you suddenly see indians taking over your jobs. you tell us not to whine...but take a look at yourselves whining about hong kong labour laws, poor CoS and what not.....you just don't seem to get it all....we are not here to listen to your BS, if you thought it was working for you, rather than getting your balls together and fighting against the CX management. To hell with you cpt. underpants. look at your attitude??? and you actually put hundreds of lives in your hands when you fly???? i'm flabbergasted !! cx should know more about you. hong kong immigration should have done a proper background check on you and your friends here/

count your days ye anti-indian morons !!! :E

Yeah! My first fatwa!

Are you a Mufti?

I'm not an Indian, nor an Asian. But yes, I'm a muslim and I'm proud of it. But why this amateur anti muslim sentence? Not every muslim is going to crash his airplane in a building, tower or what the **** it is. Those who do this are the people who are raised up in the 'danger areas' like places in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and a few others. I know some great people of those places, but it is just your destiny. They don't choose where they are born, raised up and who there carers are. I went to the mosque for lessons about my religion, to learn to read the Quran (I still don't understand it) and a lot of other things. But the best part of it is: I have learnt to be a good man which respects other religions, choices from others and what the most important things are in life. Those guys who are flying the airplanes in the buildings/towers did the same but they learnt something else: no respect for other religions and choices from others. They are drilled in their brains by those Anwar's and Osama's. It isn't their choice, it is their destiny again. Understanding this will be very hard for you, maybe your disrepect, maybe your choices in your own life. But remember this: people will threat you like you threat them. Stay positive, and see the good things in the negativities. CW

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!
 

Sorry Silverfox, but as a professional pedant I have to point out that your quote: is incorrect. It's actually Brazil, by a looong shot.

This service brought to you by "Pedants Anonymous - highlighting unimportant facts or over 150 years!" :}

Now, back to the show!

Capt Weird..and the shooter in France this morning?? Muhammed, a French national, the Madrid bombers, the London underground....

You missed that I think.

It's not going about the nationalities..

Training standards will save us?
 

I wondered when someone would bring that up.
The real question here is how is it possible that our illustrious airline has been persuaded that recruiting in these countries is a good idea.
The amount of effort and money required to bring them up to Cathay standard would be better off used in pitching salaries and conditions to candidates with much more suitable experience and culturally specific abilities.
Or is it that our standards will be lowered in order to achieve the required numbers of bums on seats

It's not about religion as we have plenty of Muslim pilots and cabin crew in cx who are brilliant. It's not about being Indian/ Pakistani or any other particular race. it's about CX being cheap, taking pilots who are not very experienced and paying them less with false promises.

The kids on this forum (I don't care where you are from) need to realise that selling yourself short now will affect you for the rest of your career. Don't be so short sighted and listen to what the more experienced have to say.

The guys bringing up race and religion, you are not helping the situation so let's stick to the topic at hand to try and get the message across. I have no sympathy for any icadets that come to CX and complain about the living standard or pay, you have been warned of the true facts not the management hype.

Because CX is struggling to find candidates from "Traditional Regions of Recruitment" willing to accept the lowly iCadet package. These candidates see the iCadet package as so bad they don't even bother to turn up for interviews.

This is unprecedented in the history of CX.

Word on the street is the GMA (Swire, non pilot manager) is behind the push to explore "Non Traditional Regions".

And there you have it. Underpants (Capt. I don't think so. Unlikely even to be a SPO.for you , Underpants, that means"System Panel Operator"). CX used to have a "Selection Procedure", apart from the racist stuff that was rampant in the early 70's, there was a continuous degree of careful selection. "Underpants", displaying very disjointed thinking, inarticulate presentations & very worrying outlooks would not have got past the very basic application screening. If this guy really is a CX pilot, we ALL need to be extremely concerned. Most likely another dysfunctional Troll. What really worries me, is, reading through this CX stuff, a dreadful image is being portrayed on a public forum. Oh, & if I need to justify myself : 40 years in the industry, 22000 hours, All jet, all heavy. Currently Head of the Selection Board. We are really good at weeding out twerps like you. For other readers; This truly cannot be CX.........can it ? Dismal.

Slowjet,

Are you implying that a flight engineer is somehow inferior? Having so much flight experience, 40 years all heavy jet, I am surprised you look down on your previous colleagues in such a way. Much better to work with 250 hour wonder boys/girls.

This truly cannot be the views of a 40 year, 22,000 hour, all jet, all heavy experienced head of selection board maverick.........can it ? Dismal.