indians = Herd mentality
 

today you hire 10 , next year there will be 100 , by the time you old fellas know it - the best and brightest of the indian skies will be hopping puddles in a cx jet and and the skies of hong kong will smell of curry fart. :}

but hey .. still safety is our number 1 priority ... so we at qantas believe .. racism and appalling customer service is the way forward. :}

Spitfire88
There is a fundamental flaw in your argument here. India has copious amounts of unemployed pilots. Hong Kong doesn’t. Infact Hong Kong has a huge shortage of pilots.
Again another wet behind the ears wannabe who hasn’t a clue what he/she is talking about. How about you tell us what the unions here should do about the inferior T&C’s being offered to people like you. Before you answer that question I suggest you do some serious research into Hong Kong labour laws and the implication to union leaders and members for taking unprotected industrial action, i.e. not approved by your employer.

Do you know what the market conditions are that you speak of? CX have manipulated market forces by dramatically lowering the experience levels required to apply. They have deliberately compromised safety for the almighty dollar and people like you are accomplices to this degradation in safety levels. First they offered this pathetic deal to starry eyed wannabes from the UK, Aus, NZ, Can and the US. When it became obvious that there weren’t enough suitable suckers in these countries they are now praying on the suckers in India. Thank god all the successful applicants in Pakistan saw this package for what it really is, indentured slave labour and turned it down. :ugh::yuk:

are you one of them?

if yes (chuckles).

If not, why are you still working with CX?

like smurf84 mentioned, why don't you have the gall to walk out <assuming you are working with CX> when you're not able to help yourself. we are not here to make things easier for you by not taking up this offer.

Back in Karachi
 

It looks like CX managers are in Pakistan this week...

tipsy.skipsy - that's fine as long as the very same skies don't smell of vegemite.

:)

robin.pereira
No.
You really are dopy idiot aren’t you? People like me are jumping up and down about the conditions being offered because, apart from safety implications of almost all the new recruits over the last several years having ˂250 hours, all we want is for you to have the same T&C’s we have.
Like I said to Spitfire88, I suggest you do some research into Hong Kong labour laws before you make such an uninformed comment about current CX pilots. So you are under no misconception or confusion, for any CX pilot to just walk as you have suggested, would be a breach of contract and leave them open to law suites.

What your comments and others of your like are really alluding to is that you want us to do all the work and take all the risk so you can have a job here.

you should be asking yourself whether you're one. you people keep mentioning the same thing again and again. you are also kind enough to say that you want us to get the same T&Cs.

okay so what do you suggest we do? i can only imagine if CX would place the offer letter right in front of me - and I say " hang on, I'm turning this down, since there aren't any jobs in India for low-timers and also because i'm not happy with the T&Cs, and so are the pilots currently in CX who aren't happy with the current T&Cs either and i want to sgo back home, watch Tv all day, warm up my couch"?????? boom! there goes my job in thin air. maybe i'll be doing you a favour. but what do i lose - an airline job i've been waiting for the past 1-2 years.

so that is your problem? fear of breach of contract and strict labour laws. what happened? u didn't see that coming, did you?. may i ask what were you doing your research on all this while - how to stop indian pilots from joining CX? with all due respect Sir, you are totally helpless, running out of options and trying to pull us into your blame game and telling us what to do and what not to do. it isn't going to work that way, if you thought we were vulnerable to your opinions. definitely not a good idea.

Robin,

Pure AWESOMENESS!!! You are the FUTURE!!!! ...........

box (snoring)

@Robin

You are the dopy fool robin :ugh:

I wonder why that is? Maybe because YOU don't listen!! :ugh:

Typical SJS response. Go fly for Spice Jet first and hopefully you'll change your mind about CX. Who knows, you might join CX under better terms and conditions

Pull your head in fool!!! We all don't want to be listening to you whining in the future about your terms and conditions that you signed to.

The only reason CX is interviewing in India is because they are desperate!! It's as simple as that. :=

As previously posted by myself, the argument is not about your nationality, it's about your experience. All this stuff about giving Indian pilots a hard time is just smoke & mirrors.

The reality is that in terms of experience, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Here's a few gems to prove my point:

Sorry, India isn't Robinson Crusoe when it comes to starry eyed, ultra low experience pilots. They have them everywhere. Put simply, in the past, they didn't meet the min requirements for an interview at CX. It's about experience, not nationality.

Most pilots at CX now, and in the past, waited a hell of a lot longer than 1-2 years for their airline job, either serving in a military uniform, or scraping their way through GA into a commuter airline, in a bid to meet the min requirements. That took an absolute minimum of 7 years, usually 10. Once again, it's about experience, not nationality.

In the past, 250 hrs would not have got you an interview, regardless of nationality. The fact that they are even considering bare minimum 250 hr guys demonstrates that anyone with experience sees the new contract for what it is. Bare minimum experience is the same whether you're Indian, Aussie or Canadian. You're still bare minimum, and in the past would not have been considered for an interview at CX.

So stop this "you're an ignorant bunch of Indian bashers" rubbish. It's not about your nationality, it's about your experience (or lack thereof)

The fundamental problem
 

And you would be stupid to encourage it. You are basically saying its ok to be payed less and have a tougher life because cx is a business.

the main reason cx are lowering T&C's is because of the undercutting the undercuttters attitude that you possess and justify. :ugh:

Once again this is aimed at anyone stupid enough to accept these conditions

this has become quite a senseless argument ..

all the senior pilots posting.. you guys had better t&c because u earned it! im sure all of u joined with more than 250hrs. therefore better terms.

todays recruitment is for 250-1500hrs. you think a fresher at 250 hrs has options? that too in india? people have been waiting for 3-4yrs for a job. and cx is capitalizing on that.

what ever bull!!!! offer they hand out.. guys have no choice. its no longer about terms and conditions.. its about flying! its about surviving.

im sure no cadet with 200hrs offered a job with cx will even worry about the terms. all he/she sees is a break! an opportunity to start their career; with a good airline, flying wide body jets! sounds like a pretty good deal to me!

maybe like you all said later on it might not seem as good. but then again... at that time there were no other options.

its take whats offered. or do nothing.

Ooooooh, love all this. And to think, good mate of mine , FAILED to get into Cx way back in 1978, because they thought he was an I N D I A N !!!
.........................er, and the same guy, told a really black looking Massai Warior type that he would not get into CX...ER, beacause he was..BLACK, and the Massai failed the initial interview............... Luv it." On behalf of Captain Ranjit Banjit& the crew!"..........................Turn in your grave Laurie !!.................It IS going to happen !
& the

flying wide body jets! sounds like a pretty good deal to me

you get more action flying flight simulator at home on your PC than being a SO...YOU ARE NOT A PILOT....:ugh:

But really...who promised you guys a job when you signed up to become a pilot...you guys are starting to sound like it's owed to you...:=

slowjet

You are the twisted racist. Leave the race card at home. There are many people of color in Cathay already, you're not breaking any mould.

They didn't come with the baggage you clearly have.

Oh, AND I suspect they're a lot more capable than you'll ever be.

Spitfire88

Let me put it in simpler terms so your winnie little pea brain can understand. You think you’re hard done by because you can’t get a job in India with 250 hours where there are allegedly 6000 unemployed pilots. India isn’t alone here my friend. Europe reportedly has about 8000 unemployed pilots and the USA 20000+. It would be very interesting to see India open its aviation labour market for any foreign pilot with ≥250 hours. That would put the cat amongst the pigeons with you bunch of spoilt Indian brats who thinks the world owes them a living. My guess is you’re probably from a well off middle to upper class Indian family, your parents sent you to Australia, New Zealand or the USA and paid for your flying training. You probably haven’t worked a real job in your life and like your buddy robin.pereira, who claims that he sits on the couch watching TV all day if he can’t fly, my guess is you do the same. You probably still live at home with mummy and daddy. It is clear from your posts though that you have a severely inflated opinion of your own self importance. Get over yourself buddy. The world owes you nothing and if you were stupid enough to be fooled by the Indian Aviation bubble over the last 5-10 years, that is your fault. If, god forbid you actually make it to CX and you come here with the attitude you have, i.e. self importance and racial intolerance, you’re in for a very rude shock.

Very well said 404. It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with experience. There has been a consistent decline in experience levels entering this airline for many, many years. I can include myself in that equation, as I'm sure I had less experience that some of my predecessors. The thing is, there needs to be a minimum level of experience in order to do this job safely, and efficiently. I am a big believer in experience. I think it is what you draw on when things turn pear-shaped. I don't believe we are enhancing our safety culture if ALL of our current recruits are of the same experience levels that are being described in this thread. Eventually all of the holes in the swiss cheese will line up, and then what is the inexperienced crew going to rely on? Simply my opinion, but one I believe is shared by many of my colleagues, as well as the flying public, I would imagine.

box

Pear-shaped?
 

boxjockey:

Pear-shaped? Your username shows you to be in the U.S. Are you a transplant or have you been brainwashed into talking like THEM?

From CEO himself
 

Oval,

Please tell me who THEY are? And yes, I am a transplant. :eek:

box