You are right. but isn't cathay going to pick the best among the indian pilots and not all??????? do not underestimate us. whether you like it or not, have faith that only the best will get through. don't judge us on the basis of our past records. you are again criticizing the entire indian pilot community.

You, kind sir, are a naive fool!

Commercial pressures have been brought to bear. The bean counters merely see a necessity to get bums on seats, regardless of who you are and where you're from.

Why are they pitching so hard for guys with a CPL & 250 hours?

Well, CX thought they could get anyone world wide with zero hours to join a cadet course, and then sponsor their residency in HK. Thankfully the HKID have (correctly) identified that plan as a breach of the concept of "labour is imported only when said skills are not available locally", and put a lid on it. Hence, you need to meet a minimum experience & qualification level to be sponsored - and guess what! That threshold is a CPL & 250 hrs.

Put more simply, CX are pitching at the absolute minimum standard which they can legally offer. They tried lower, and were stopped by the government. Now, the real tragedy is that this "legal" minimum has, in effect, always been there, but they have never even gone close to it. Until they started to offer only the local package, even to expats, anyone with just a CPL & 250 hrs would not have even been considered.

Why the big change? Easy - no one with higher experience levels wants to touch this contract. Not only that, most of the absolute minimum qualification guys from "traditional recruiting markets" realise that this contract is a joke.

The bottom line is that the mere fact that they're pitching at this level shows a sheer desperation on the part of the bean counters to put bums in seats. It's nothing to do with nationality, it's about experience levels.

A million times....a million times we've been trying to tell you...you still don't get it??? what does it take to feed just a bit of information into all your brains??? Agreed it is about experience. what are we to do about it? we don't fancy this contract. the low-time pilots from traditional recruiting markets (TRM) will obviously find this contract as a joke and decline it, but they have other options (GA). Yet again, there are low-time pilots from Australia taking up this offer.

there are not enough jobs for 6000 unemployed pilots in india. they can't go to europe or usa or africa or australia looking for work. what were you thinking when CX came to India? all of the 77 indian pilots wouldn't show up for the interviews??? Wrong! We are desperately looking for a job. now only half of them may have made it to the next stage. get this straight all you cynics - WE didn't degrade your working and living conditions. Please be more smart enough to realize that it is your dear company that did so. they knocked on our doors and we opened it. You have no right to lock us in. don't give the ''you were warned'' nonsense again.

Some of you may say it isn't about nationality, it is about experience. but there are quite a few (presently flying for CX) who are disturbed more about the nationality factor than the experience levels. please don't deny that. it is very evident from some of the posts in this thread and other forums.

Like smurf (from India) mentioned, the dreaded 'R' word definitely exists in some working CX pilots and cadets from the so-called TRM. Don't deny that either. these very same people think that there is only one colour in this entire world, and that is WHITE. how much ever you try to hide that thought, it is there deep inside you - the hatred towards us. it will never end. mind you, i'm talking about only a few people. not all. it disgusts me and i don't understand what makes them feel this way, but it just isn't going to work inside a cockpit and in a profession with utmost discipline. if you thought it is, that would certainly be a recipe for disaster. so much for CRM.

Robin,

After your performance on here on a now closed thread, you are the LAST person who should be lecturing anyone about racism. What you wrote was beyond belief. You have lost credibility on this site with those words.

j3

The manner in which some of the potential recruits are conducting themselves in this forum speaks volumes about what kind of pilots we are soon to be sharing our cockpits with. To be completely fair, I feel that posts from our boys could be more restrained as well.

However, I'm getting a real sense of entitlement and cockiness from some of the individual posters here. The "system" will take care of that if indeed they (the cocky ones) are hired.

I have a few Indian friends and I think very highly of them - so race is not a motivator in my (reluctant) decision to make a post.

Acknowledge (as some posters have) that the real issue here is the sub-standard contract being offered - and all that means for the future of existing contracts. Jeez... I'm starting to sound like an old A-scaler!

Robin.

I am surprised that you seem so keen to join a club that so obviously does not want you? If we are all WHITE supremacists as you seem to imagine, then surely, for you, this is not the working environment to join?

Please do try not to lecture me on my personal qualities or my CRM ability until at the very least we have met. It is insulting.

what makes you not wanting me is the provocation caused due to the comments/scathing remarks made by some of the pilots (CX or not) against Indians and indian pilots. i will not tolerate it, sit and read all the rubbish some of you write about us. it may not be in this thread. those certain other threads have been deleted cause things went out of hand, because of the racist remarks being made against us. such is the nature of a few pilots who despise us. and you couldn't have said it better - this would certainly not be the perfect working environment for me if i had a captain and a F/O who have issues against indians.

Please keep in mind, my previous post was referring to only a few people, NOT ALL. I am NOT insulting YOU. But I will insult the personal/CRM abilities of pilots who doubt our strengths and glorify our weaknesses, which CX has to take note of such elements at some point of time !!!

PNM - you are absolutely right. the system will take care of the cocky ones.

Robin.

Again you are insulting.
Please stop.
You are not doing your cause any good.

Robin, I got the previous thread shutdown as a result of racial vilification from numerous parties, you included. Whilst I do not condone the comments from previous posters, your reaction to such is unacceptable. If this is how you respond under "pressure" then I suggest you may be better suited to another profession.

Robin,

I chose to stay away from this thread as the debate was going nowhere. :)
Initially, we keep blaming each other and eventually the airline. I suggest you keep your emotions in control and refrain from aggressive comments. This is for your benefit. I think you went overboard in another thread (with an Australian pilot who also got carried away) which was deleted for good.

The show must go on.

Robin sounds a lot like an ex-indian SO that used to work for us...

Last 3 months
 

In 2012, cx hired about 100 new so's.

of that 100, only 1 had the guts to tell cx to shove it.

The latest recruiting dive in Japan was a complete flop ,no suitable canidates
Cheers

Was that pun intentional? :)

STP

sorry to burst your bubble pasa, however I wonder who all those japanese young men in black in the medical section and in the CX City street were the other day then...a shinto buddhist convention..? The word apparently is that they are to a very high standard academically and professionally, standard of english something to be concerned about, and of course there is something of a cultural divide...to put it mildly...:ok:

I'm confused
 

New hunting grounds for SO's? Myself and a few other aviatiors I know have applications in with CX and not heard boo. We all have over 500 hours TT and we also have a good mix of multi piston and S/E Turbine command. I cant think of any reason why none of us have had a call. If only a couple out of us got called I would understand but there are five of us an no one has been contacted in the 12 months since we applied.

Are the people recruited from "new grounds" being paid any less than current SO's? Does this mean no one from the traditional recruiting grounds will be called anymore?

Ah. Now youve got it::}

That is because they are looking for "compliant and weak" candidates that can be intimidated and controlled. They realize that certain country's candidates are likely to leave when ever they want, and are less likely to be intimidated.

Take Australia, they thought they would just push some IP pilots around a bit, and they ended up being pushed back. Like a bully, they don't like getting a taste of their own medicine.

The countries from which they are recruiting now will not give them any problem in this regard and they lack any fair justice systems or have such a compliant culture that conflict is avoided at all costs, even personal sacrifice.

Yes STP it was a complete DIVE;)