"As a group only 1 ( that know of ) out of 30 wants to join the AOA,
so I will explain to you that that fact speaks volumes about their intentions toward their junior colleagues."

I suspect this is because you're not speaking to them.

I know many more than 1 intend to join:}

ACMS Look back at your rantings and ask yourself if you're really intending to unite anyone. You're letting your jealousy of the 'A' scale group cloud your judgement. Get over it and let someone else talk - you've made your point - over and over again.
If someone is extended in this Company to stop us having to wet lease aircraft or even ground them, then too damned right he keeps his DOJ for Staff travel.
Bit of advice - never miss an opportunity to shut up.:ok:

Uh...Jagman...unfortunately he ALWAYS misses that opportunity...! :ok:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?:=:=:=:=:=:=:=

That must be a windup

You guys must be management? How could you say that???????????

Incredible you could think that way.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SCREW THE JUNIOR GUYS>

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY it shows how quite a few of the senior Pilot's think.:= :mad:

BusyB: so what's DELAYING their application then? are they waiting to see if they can claim their subs on their Tax!!!

Bring it on..............they can APPLY but we will object.

I hope they know that.

ACMS - Yes I'm quite serious. What we should all do is to just leave you to conduct this thread all on your own. You know, answer your own replies and accuse yourself of going around in circles. Oh wait!
You're already doing that!!??:ok:

ACMS ; you just don't get it, do you?
 

:*Reading this thread it appears that YOU will object not "we", certainly not me.

And this next sentence of your proves you really don't get it:

Because the damage was done when you (and the others) joined as B scalers. That was when the rot started and, I admit, continues today. But don't criticise others for what you did yourself. You need to forget the past, recognise the present and work for the future. In another thread you seem to realise that when you say we must UNITE going forward. http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

So stop this ranting and start working for the future.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Oh god here we go again.....................


Listen very carefully I am only going to say this once:-

you retirees and Oasis guys CAN come back and fly as long as:

1/ you accept the SAME pay and conditions as B scale
2/ you join at the BOTTOM of the Seniority list and ONLY accept legitimate promotions if we can't/wont accept them
3/ Bypass pay is then actually PAID correctly to ALL effected officers as per our COS.
4/ YOU DO IT THROUGH THE HKAOA

Simple really..........then you'd all be WELCOME back and we could all be ONE HAPPY FAMILY MOVING FORWARD.

Can't you see that you are being used by the Company to further their agenda. Which is further erode the T & C's of all current Pilot's ( and all other staff as well )
You might think you are doing the company a favour by helping them out in a shortage but you're only SCREWING US and playing into their hands.

Great

Let's allow these guys to come back, join the union and vote thru 65...

That will only screw FO's and SO's alike, not to mention what the direct entry FO's are doing. Ohhh and a basing - Forget it!!!!

And no....I have ZERO desire to work till 65. However with lost income from command regression - I may just have to.

It gets better and bet....

If we could only be this lucky.

iLUV - I bet he sais it more than once!

ACMS - I agree that when you're 55 you should do all the things you suggest. After all, when you joined the retirement age was 55 and you wouldn't want to screw your younger colleagues now would you. Long way away? Time moves fast and 55 is the old 45 they tell me. Try to relax. Your points are well made (or certainly should be by now - just look back at the thread - it's unique in the history of the Prune IMHO!)

Listen very carefully I'm only going to say this once:-



oops that's twice:ok:


MAYBE SOME NEED TO READ IT AGAIN?

A Scale did not object to B Scale
 

Please, I do wish people would speak the truth.
The A Scale community offered not to accept any pay rises for a number of years if the Company did not introduce B Scale.