Hell, I'll drink and chat to anyone down route.:ok:

you are a sad bunch of LIMP dicks


So go ahead, let CX in conjuntion with these guys screw your career and continue to interpret your COS in their own way.


As I'm already a Captain It doesn't really effect me anyway, I try to think of others.

I think you A scalers would be surprised at the level of feeling amoungst the 777 F/O's and S/O's I fly with. It exists and no amount of rubbishing me changes that.


Doesn't matter, only a small % of CX Crew bother to read this site anyway.

ACMS, after the Oasis guys, its the 80 or so KA DEFO (40 on automatic upgrade to LHS 747-400) you will have to deal with. Only 11 of them ever showed any interest in joining the DPA. Of course they all bleated about how useless the DPA was and refused to join.

Why not ask them when they come across (sorry thats now they are across), will you be joining the AOA, if its as equally inept as the DPA.

Ex Oasis, Ex Ka, they will all weaken your negotiating position with their readiness to skip seniority, and the 100s of CX guys ahead of them.

And exactly what is their vast experience consisting of which grants them the right for automatic upgrade ? Global freighter operations, ha ha thats a joke, none of these guys has ever flown to more than 3 destinations!

I am off topic, but hey its still relevant.

ACMS, I just got back from the Wanch....spending my A scale bucks. Your latest post is just about the most hilarious, juvenile, embarrassing missive I have ever read. Very eloquent intro..... Please, keep writing, you don't realise how much enjoyment and reading pleasure you provide. :ok:

ACMS you appear to be playing the man and not the ball.

yes I agree. KA freighter guys, DEFO's, X Oasis Pilot's etc etc

All a big problem, especially when guys like these don't care.


All i know is that everytime I go to the bar, go to dispatch or go to Starbucks the topic of conversation invariably leads to these guys/girls aiding and abetting the company. The young guys are pissed off and quite righly so.
It's not simply a question of blaming the company. These guys knew what they were doing, pure and simple.
The fact that they are retired A scale doesn't really matter, we would think the same if they were retired B or C scale guys.

It just makes it worse to see those guys that did very well in CX over a 20+ year career with very nice PF's coming back as basically DEC on a !!!! payscale.

What exactly are they on? Well I'm reliably told they've accepted a poultry $87,000 HKD month with no housing allowance. They CAN accept this low pay because they don't need the money.

Apple Tree Yard and his ilk don't object because they too want to do the same thing in a few years time, DON'T YOU MATE.

Don't bother denying it, over 90% of guys approaching 55 said "no way, I'm not going into training" then guess what, 5 months before retirement they "see the company light" tossers


So you can blame the company all you want, but we do know where they stand don't we.
=they will bend the FTL's where required
=not pay bypass pay to F/O's until assessed which is against their contracts
=upgrade out of seniority
=pay a little as they CAN GET AWAY WITH

How can they do this? Because we have a bunch of selfish twits only thinking of themselves instead of a unified cohesive UNITED work force.


yeah.............

ACMS
 

Mate, if you are married, its a fair bet your wife will be on Valium or some other happy pill - if so, you should take a couple and try and calm down a little.
Other than that, not that I'd wish it on anyone, but a life changing experience can put a whole new perspective of how trivial these little things can be, concerned with the larger picture.
Try and settle down a little before you bring one on yourself. A lot of your post on other topics posts are pretty much on the nail, but I think you have lost it a little with this one.

I'm fine thanks mate.

I love my job and always look forward to going to work.

Doesn't mean I will give up wanting WHAT's RIGHT.

So let me see. In a while CX will say that the new payscale for HKG PAX Captains is say 90,000 month. Then most of our guys wont take it. Then they will say "look, no one wants the positions, so we will employ DEC's"

That's what they DID already with these HK freighter positions.

I wonder how close to 55 you are ACMS and do you have young children or were you fortunate to have children when you were young. This increasing the age limit has been around for a very long time this is not so new and some people joined thinking that it would mean they would have a longer career than they would have otherwise and therefore give them more time to make up the money they missed out on by not being A scalers I wonder what your decision will be as you approach age 55. You have no idea what personal reasons have been involved with the decision for some of these guys to choose to continue flying and maybe they just don't want to give up as they still enjoy their job.

yes extended retirement age NEGOTIATED by a strong UNION.

Not by individuals with personal agendas.

I too am in favour of extending the RA. I never said I wasn't.

BUT, I don't favour it at the expense of my junior colleagues.

A BIG DIFFERENCE.

Do you guys meet late at night in a dark place? Secret handshake maybe?:}

or

Does obsessive-compulsive disorder mean anything to you?

ACMS,

From reading your posts it appears to me that you are a little stressed out, maybe working for Cathay does this to some people.

I would therefore like to recommend the following:

1. Pour yourself a large scotch, preferable a 15 year old single Malt.
2. Find a nice quiet room and turn the lights down low.
3. Turn the volume up on the computer and view this short video.
YouTube - Boeing 747 - RIAT 2007

Best Wishes for your speedy recovery.

No I have PRINCIPLES and I see that a lot of you mob in here DON'T.

well said discoveryman
 

And we can all help ACMS in his recovery by no longer contributing to this debate.

Apart from this last comment on it from me.

The person ACMS first attacked in starting this thread spent time on the AOA GC a few years back. ACMS's contribution to help his fellow pilots has been confined to his contributions in pprune.

oh so I didn't support the 49ers through extra contributions? must have dreamt that one

So I don't pay subs now and VOTE when required.!!! oh

So I didn't stay the course side by side with my colleagues through one of the worst Aviation industrial disputes the world has seen? ( Oz 89 )

So I didn't stay the course through the 2000 sign or be fired debacle in CX.

I've been in the AOA for 15 years and never missed a Vote or paying my subs.

What have you done?

ACMS,

"If I need to spell out what the Oasis crew have done to "help" our COS and the upgrades of my fellow Pilot's then you are DUMB."

Followed by

"Or just another selfish Pilot looking out for #1"

Priceless.

So you are demanding other pilots act in order to assist your own selfishness.

Oh god you guys do make me laugh.

NO IDIOT, I'm trying to get a UNITED Pilot group a bit like the one you have in KA. A UNITED Pilot group that can have a little power to NEGOTIATE contracts with the company.

I am against guys "Doing their own thing" with the company. As most adults are smarter than a 5th grader I'd expect this "concept" would be easily understood by you..

THEY ARE THE SELFISH ONES


If the membership decide to accept these guys and move on then the AOA is a democracy and I'd happily accept the decision of the members.

BUT.........that has not happened yet.

...ACMS, the problem is your incessant rantings against the A scale, who's only 'crime' was having joined the company before you. Why don't you be a good little boy, go and have a reveiw of your last couple of years worth of posts and come back when you can behave without coming across as a spoiled child. Not quite sure how you propose 'unity' when most of your posts are abusive of the one group who joined the company with a fair and unequivocal view of their worth. Have a think about it....

Grow up Apple seed.

Explain in plain English for us all to see HOW these guys joining doesn't do damage to our negotiating position.?
Explain to our junior colleages WHY their employment WAS NECESSARY in the first place?

Then explain to me WHY they accept ONLY $87,000 month with no housing allowance?

Explain how or why they are in a position to accept that?

Explain why they can't go to Korean Air, where the pay is better?

As a group only 1 ( that know of ) out of 30 wants to join the AOA,
so I will explain to you that that fact speaks volumes about their intentions toward their junior colleagues.

see we are going round in circles here.

I don't hate the A scalers, quite the opposite actually. We should ALL be on the A scale. But how is it that guys who have said they are worth being paid A scale for the last 20 years suddenly say "hey, I'm not worth A scale anymore, so pay me less than C scale, I DON'T CARE I'll do anything just to fly your Cathay Jet one more time...........yeah baby"

Do they have any pride? Any life at all?

I admire their desire to keep flying ( or keep away from the wife ) but hey...........don't RUIN our chance at the golden ring.

Take your considerable talents to another Airline, who knows you may teach them something.:D


Oh and did you know that all the over 55 extendees ( not the Oasis Pilot's )get to keep their original DOJ for staff travel purposes? TRUE, so next time you can't get a seat in the cabin or a crew seat then think about why this happens.