I hate to add facts to an angry thread but here goes. Disclaimer: it is midnight and I spent about 30 seconds looking at crewdirect

The junior 777 FO on the seniority list is 1607, the junior Airbus Fo is 1660.

There are currently 11 -400 SO's with seniority numbers lower than 1660. If you look at the master roster you will find at least 5 of those 11 rostered for a 777 or a 330 yup a 330 course in January.

Sorry for the logic, flame away:ok:

Exezy,

How can you be proactive against alleged breaches. Think about it! Your subs pay for the office, Ifalpa membership and Insurances. In fact if an SO we are probably subsidising you. No GC member gets a cent of your subs its all done in our own time.


Near Miss,

Emails are best then the entire GC has the opportunity to read them. Phone calls will get an off the cuff reply from anyone in the office but not everyone who may have knowledge in that area necessarily hears about it.

The issue here was your whinging about the AOA.

CBC

The 2 emails weren't about this subject. If you want to help let us know. As for helping non-members, they already benefit from any improvements we secure. If they want individual attention I suggest they join.
Yes, SO upgrades and bypass pay are regularly monitored and any irregularities questioned but this thread appears to feature a new problem so give the facts in an email to the AOA and we'll look into it.

Interesting what Ex Douglas Driver brings up...being SUITABLE (and getting bypass pay more importantly) happens by holding CAT A for 3 modules over 3 months...nothing to do with the "board assessment".
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This needs further investigation...

Semantics I know, but we decide who is suitable and when. This directly affects your bypass pay. Easy really, saves us great amounts by not paying bypass pay and this is reflected in my bonus.

You don’t need to read the contract or our Volumes, we do what we want. “Suitable” is a very ambiguous word.

Enjoy being in the back seat for longer.

To my bonus

The Management

BusyB,
Fair enough, instead of whining on pprune, affected SO's should write an email to the AOA.
In the meantime, if you are on the GC, can you chat with the other members and point them towards this thread?

The Management, your posts about your bonus are getting really old and boring. Piss off.

To all others, Happy Holidays! And don't forget to thank your SO for making your bed.

Throw me a bone here...

Where in the COS does it say SO's get by-pass for extendees???

...The same place where it says SOs on the 744 are to make the bunks!!!:}

I can confirm that guys who started 2 weeks ahead of me in Adelaide are upgrading 2 months behind me. The only reason being that they are on the 744 and me on the bus.

It's about to become a lot more than 2 months I think.

A friend on the Airbus who joined several months behind me has been given an JFO course early Mar. I have yet to hear about a 777 course for myself...the rumour is end of April or beyond.
So, there definitely is a problem with 744 SOs being delayed for upgrade.
I too am wondering why I am a member of the AOA and seriously beginning to wonder why I am in this airline.
However, Merry Christmas to everyone anyway...:sad:

The 2 bus guys directly behind me have JFO courses in Jan and I was told to expect mid April for 777. Wasn't given the Bus option(not that I wanted it). Also when DH was showing me what I concluded was the 777 training plan for 08 and the number of 777JFO courses over the first half of the year, I questioned him on the first column which read 777 Induction(NAM) and after asking what that was he sheepishly said DEFO 777 for North America, a quick glance showed several every month for as far as I could see down the page, at leat 10-12 for the first half of the year. I am on bypass pay and will be on it for almost 7 months by the time I get a course, which also will be almost a year after my upgrade interview. So delayed course will mean delayed Ql and delayed FO1 pay, and there is no bypass for that!!

I was told all year that assessment for me was in December, course on the 777 in February or March.

So far I have not received an email or letter regarding assessment, but an Airbus S/O who joined the same week has me has.

Most recently I was told course in June or July.

777 SO's
 

Are the 777 SO's in the same boat as the 400 SO's or Airbus SO's? First 777 SO's should be getting close to hearing something.

Amen brutha!:D

If the company is so short on training resources - give the jumbo SO's a short course to upgrade on the jumbo!!

777 S/O Upgrade
 

Same team, same dream, right?

Yes, it looks as though those few are being delayed as well. I think my mate said April/May, then recently, when he inquired, was told late 3rd Quarter 2008. So far, at least 5 months delay.

Now you're really flying. :ok:

DrunknSailor

You must have been looking at the HK based list. The most junior FO on the Airbus is most likely the most junior pilot in the company.

I vote that all 400 SO's should go on strike - by not making the bunks - until this issue is resolved. That'll show em'!

I must have missed the bunk making ground school. Surprising considering all the other sh!t Cx makes you do as an S/O.

Just do a sloppy job of it, untucked corners and no chocolate on the pillow.

:E

MAX:cool:

Or...
 

Well this is just another "biting off the nose to spite the face" idea of CX management. Short term ideas men who pat themselves on the back everytime they think they have shafted the pilot body and saved a few cents.
So, if i were a S.O, pissed off at the delay in my up-grade, pissed off at a 3% pay rise and most definitely pissed off at an extended time as an F.O due to R.A 65, well i would get my F.O endorsement and start looking elsewhere. With your time as an S.O and your new shiny endorsement there would be plenty of airlines willing to hire you. As an Australian, well we know whats happening down there, nice to have a 777 endorsement now. (covers 787 too luckily).
So what i am saying to you all is that, this is CX, this is their M.O, it aint going to change, so, unless you just love living in Hong Kong, LEAVE!!!!!
One of my buckets is nearly full, am preparing myself mentally and educationally for a future outside of this profession. (Just in case)
Things to look out for in the future, 3 man long haul to Europe and 20 hour duties. R.A 65 wont be a problem, it will be guys keeling over at 60!!!!!!